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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Old 08-15-2017, 09:28 PM
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Hello, it's been a long time since I've posted here! I've moved, gone back to school, rehomed a lot of my birds, and picked up a few more in the last couple of years. Most of my remaining budgies are birds I hand fed, but I was recently gifted a couple by my mother and I've had a pair hanging out that have never been properly introduced here. I would love any help with identifying their colors, mutations, and genders.

First up is Tenzig. She's about the bravest budgie I have ever seen. I named her Tenzig after the sherpa who helped the first European climb Mt Everest, because the day I pulled Tenzig for hand feeding she managed to climb out of her nursery box and down a five foot tall cage.

These two don't have names. They're from a pet shop and remain super flighty, but the yellow one can be tempted to nibble millet from my hand. They're a work in progress I know the yellow one looks male here, but the cere is a little more flaked in real life, I think it's a girl. Thoughts? Also, are they dominant pied yellowface, and recessive pied normal? Is there something else that dilutes the black barring on the wings? I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around pied colors.


These are the two that my mom just brought over (plus a lutino girl I gave her a couple of years ago). Although I think their coloring looks exactly the same but with different degrees of dilution they didn't originally come together. I've only had them a couple of days so I'm still thinking over some names, and trying to figure out their colors. They're both pretty flighty but they warm up when I offer millet, so I think they'll be easy to retame. To me they look like a type one yellowface with some kind of dilution (the lighter male), and type two yellowface with greywing (the hen). Does that sound right? I wish I knew how to recognize if any other mutations were present when their bars are so lightened.

I haven't got as much time for them now that I'm in school, but they all seem pretty pleased hanging out and chattering with each other. They're a pretty bunch of birds

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Congratulations!

I hope they fill your life with great happiness ^_^ Good luck with school too!

It must be nice to have them back in your life, even if you don't have much time to dedicate to them. At least they have each other to keep themselves entertained and you're giving them as much time as you can!
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Your budgies are very pretty.

I've moved your thread over to the mutations section of the forum so it will be seen by our experts and they can assist you with your birds' mutations.

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Oh thank you, I wasn't sure where it would fit best
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Your birds are gorgeous!

Tenzig (great name for her!) looks to be a light green greywing budgie.

Yellow Girl is hard to tell because I'm unable to see her wing markings or any other colors on her, but she's golden face opaline at least.

Pied Girl is a sky blue greywing dominant pied yellowface II normal, from what I can see.

The turquoise girl is sky blue yellowface II cinnamon, and the boy is sky blue yellowface II greywing clear flight pied

Those are my best educated guesses, more photos taken from different angles in natural lighting would help confirm
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Those are my best educated guesses, more photos taken from different angles in natural lighting would help confirm
Holy moly, that's a lot to process! Thank you so much, I can figure out things like "pied" and "yellow face," but trying to figure out the difference between which type of pied and which form of yellow face is beyond me. I think you've got Tenzig and the turquoise hen completely figured out, here are a few more pictures of the remaining three.


Now that you've said golden face I can totally see it, but what's the clue that she's opaline? I wouldn't have guessed that in a million years!



I thought she only had the pied markings on her chest and belly, but is it the dominant pied that makes her wings clear, too? Would this bird be opaline because of the absence of bars from neck to wings, or is that just a pied patch, or dilution from greywing?


Lastly here's a better look at the boy. I think he's just about the most gorgeous thing I've ever seen. I'm still trying to figure out the differences/interactions between greywing and clear flight. Are those mutations the reason his coloring is diluted, or is there an additional gene that just dilutes colors?

Thanks again for your help, and may I say I'm extremely impressed you called the yellow bird as a golden face when I carelessly only put up pictures that didn't show her teal colored spot at all? Wow, what an eye!
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For the yellow girl, her head barring seems a bit faded, not as dark as it would be if she were normally marked. Opaline budgies have slightly faded head barring

As for the next girl, she is greywing, sky blue, yellowface II, dominant pied. She may even be single factor violet! Does she have a little bit of lavender by her neck? Yes, the dominant pied gene is what caused her wings to be clear, it just happened to make her wings more heavily pied! She is not opaline, the dilution you see is caused by the greywing

The boy is sky blue yellowface II greywing clear flight pied, the new pictures actually show that he's also opaline, the barring between his wings is characteristic of opaline budgies.

As a point of interest, there are several mutations that dilute body colour.

Opaline dilutes the body colour by about 10%, greywing and opaline each dilute the body colour by at least 20% and all the way up to 50%. Clearwing and full body greywing do not dilute the body color, but do dilute the dark wing markings, with clearwing diluting them more than full body greywing.

Although it seems that you have a good grasp of mutations, check out this link for more information!

https://talkbudgies.com/mutations-gen...-all-mean.html
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Ah, I think I'm getting it. The dominant pied hen definitely has patches of lavender on her neck, just behind her violet cheek patches. What a nice surprise

One last question, is the golden face hen a double factor dominant pied, recessive pied, or is there another reason she's only got black barring on that one tiny spot on her head?
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The golden face hen only has a little bit of green in between her legs and on her belly right? That's usually typical of a recessive pied budgie, she just appears to be very heavily pied
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