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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Old 10-27-2017, 12:22 PM
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Default New pair: Breeding expectations.

Budgie genetics are by and far the most fascinating thing about budgie keeping to me. I love their personalities and the feeling of finally having a budgie trust you, but my favorite part really has to be genetics. Because of this, I'm trying to learn as much as humanly possible (I do still know quite a bit from several years ago when I was learning then), but of course I'm no expert. This pair will not be attempted to be bred for several months, because 1) They're too young. Probably only around 3 months, and 2) I'll be moving into a house where I can support the noise of lots more birds soon!

Opal, my female, is a sky blue, cinnamon, opaline.


Casper, my male, is an albino.


I purchased them from a pet store that breeds some and also gets some from a distributor (I know the distributor, it's the same one the store I work at gets animals from), and I made sure that I got both that had been bred by them, and made sure they are not related. They didn't know too much about genetics and din't have pictures of the parents unfortunately, so I don't know their genetic background, but I would like to speculate for if one is split for something, etc as a learning experience. Both, unfortunately, have pretty severe clips, but Opal can get around better than Casper.

Anyways, here are my predictions:

Ino: 100% Female Ino, 100% Male/ino

Opaline: 100% Female Normal, 100% Male/opaline

Cinnamon: 100% Female Normal, 100% Male/cinnamon

White/yellow series: 100% White series

This is all based off the punnet squares I drew up, but I'm wondering if I made an error. Is it possible for Opal to pass her Cinnamon or Opaline trait to a female chick, or would Casper need to be split to Cinnamon or Opaline for that to happen? I'm operating on the assumption that Casper does not carry any dark factors, as I can't see anything since he's an albino. Opal carries none.

And one random question: Are creaminos rare? I think they're exceptionally cute and plan to try and breed for them in the future, but wondered if they were uncommon at all. I enjoy breeding for uncommon or unusual mutations as it presents a challenge. I have to try and produce one of this very specific color variety without inbreeding and while producing the healthiest chick possible! It's like a puzzle and I love it. I'm currently going for lacewings with this pair and for potential 2nd gen breeding from this pair. (I'm not in it for the money, just as a forward. I practice ethical and safe breeding practices and would never put the health of my birds at risk just to produce rare chicks. It's strictly a hobby/puzzle thing for me in that regard.)

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Since these birds are only 3 months old, it's best to wait more than "several months" as indicated in your post. definitely wait a full year before attempting to breed them.

Since we don't know what mutation is hiding under Casper's Ino gene, you could end up with some lovely surprises.

So to keep things simple right now, we will assume that Casper is simply an Albino with no mutations being masked.

With that in mind, all of your male chicks will be Normal Blue, and all of them will be split for Opaline, Cinnamon, and Ino.

All of your female chicks will be Ino's

There are so many more possabilities though, since Casper can be hidding quite a few mutations. We just won't know until the chicks feather up

As for Creamino's, they aren't that rare, you just need to have the right mutations in the parents. I've had several Creamino's in the past year, and I have one in the nest right now as well.

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You are right with your punnet square calculations! You can't get cinnamon or opaline unless Casper has those genes, just like you thought.

Creaminos are easy to produce and a common combination of varieties, but the lacewings should be a nice challenge for you. It would certainly be a thrill to produce one from scratch.

One thing to consider is that the hen has one X and one Y chromosome, with the opaline and cinnamon only present on the X. So, with this pairing you know that the cin and opal will always be passed on together. All male chicks will receive cin-opal, which is useful to know for the future.

The good thing about the genetics of this pairing is anything that isn't an albino hen or a normal cock will tell you something about the splits the parents have!

I love the genetics side also and have a number of things I would love to one day investigate.
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Since these birds are only 3 months old, it's best to wait more than "several months" as indicated in your post. definitely wait a full year before attempting to breed them.

Since we don't know what mutation is hiding under Casper's Ino gene, you could end up with some lovely surprises.

So to keep things simple right now, we will assume that Casper is simply an Albino with no mutations being masked.

With that in mind, all of your male chicks will be Normal Blue, and all of them will be split for Opaline, Cinnamon, and Ino.

All of your female chicks will be Ino's

There are so many more possabilities though, since Casper can be hidding quite a few mutations. We just won't know until the chicks feather up

As for Creamino's, they aren't that rare, you just need to have the right mutations in the parents. I've had several Creamino's in the past year, and I have one in the nest right now as well.

By "several months", I meant to wait until a full year was up. I won't breed them until I know they're a year old! Thanks for letting me know and thanks for the creamino info! I think they're so stinking cute.

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You are right with your punnet square calculations! You can't get cinnamon or opaline unless Casper has those genes, just like you thought.

Creaminos are easy to produce and a common combination of varieties, but the lacewings should be a nice challenge for you. It would certainly be a thrill to produce one from scratch.

One thing to consider is that the hen has one X and one Y chromosome, with the opaline and cinnamon only present on the X. So, with this pairing you know that the cin and opal will always be passed on together. All male chicks will receive cin-opal, which is useful to know for the future.

The good thing about the genetics of this pairing is anything that isn't an albino hen or a normal cock will tell you something about the splits the parents have!

I love the genetics side also and have a number of things I would love to one day investigate.
Thanks so much this is a lot of goof information!! I'm very excited to breed this pair and figure out what the heck is going on in there!!!
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