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Hi to all,new at this so forgive me if ive stuffed it up,i want to know what mutation i have and what are the likely babies be,there names are will n grace,thanks peter.
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Will and Grace are beautiful budgies. I’m no expert on mutations, but I’m going to say cobalt/yellow face/opaline/spangle. Someone will be along shortly to confirm . Did you get them at the same place at the same time? How are you sure they aren’t related?

If you haven’t already, please read this link. This will explain the reason Talk Budgies staff and regular members will not freely give breeding advice to members who we aren’t yet familiar with.

https://www.talkbudgies.com/budgie-br...e-threads.html

Please take a little time to tell us more about your budgie keeping experience. There is so much to know, and so much that can potentially go wrong when breeding birds. Are you familiar with what to look for when selecting a pair for potential breeding? What to feed the hen to prepare her body for egg laying? What type of nest to use, what if the hen abandons chicks, do you know at what age to remove the hen and have the male take over raising the chicks? What if something goes wrong? So many things can potentially go wrong. Do you have an experienced professional breeder as a mentor? If you had chicks that actually came out with no issues, do you have responsible homes for them to go to? What if your hen kept laying and laying and laying and laying... then laying some more!? Some don’t stop at a number they can handle, how would you intervene in that case?

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Your budgies are beautiful!

They both are the same mutation, sky blue violet opaline spangle yellowface Since you got them from the same place (right?) and have the same exact mutation, it is very likely these two birds are brother and sister and should never be bred.

Even if they weren't related, you should never breed budgies until you have at least a year of experience keeping budgies and significant research has been done on your part to learn all you can about breeding.

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Thank you heaps for getting back so fast and for letting me know what i had,ive bred parrots before but not budgies,so getting my head around how to work out the different mutations,was really doing me in,ive been studying up on budgies for about 18 months now,but havnt bred anything yet,when i got these two birds (from a private breeder,not pet shop)she told me that they were from two different sets of parents,so now youve got me worried,do i believe her or not ????.If not ,can i still try and find another mal and female for these two,or just get something else and your advice on what i should look for would be appreciated(colour ect).peter.
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My appologies to you all,it sort of seems like im working backwards here,i assure you im not.the plea you have written is like the mighty gospel of any animal breeding,i have bred dogs ,fish(cichlids),peachfaced love birds,finches,parrots,and this is the greatest thing that i myself have pushed with any club or in general talking and very well written too.Have no fear,if things arnt rite it dosnt happen,is a motto i believe in,and i do not take offence to anything you say to me,i believe no matter how good you are or get, you can never stop learning,thank peter.
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I agree with spangle opaline yellow face (probably type 1) but can't really be sure if they are cobalt or sky violet with the flight feathers being white so they could be either.

If the breeder is breeding for these colours they could well be unrelated, but I would ask again just to be sure. If they are unrelated you would get some chicks that look pretty much the same as the parents, some the same as the parents but without the yellow face, and some that are pure white, or white with yellow washing form the head down the body a bit.
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HI,thanks for your comment,would it make much difference that the female has hardly any yellow down her back/feathers/tail compeared to the male,but i will ask her again to be sure.
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No, it wouldn't make a difference That's just a little bit of variation in how the pattern is expressed on the feathers and doesn't change her genetic mutation.

I'm glad you've done lots of research for breeding budgies!

We also have lots of resources on the forums to ensure that you are aware of best practices when it comes to breeding them Be sure to have a look through those as they will be helpful!

https://talkbudgies.com/forumdisplay.php?f=306

Toni is correct, you'll get a variety of chicks but overall the same as the parents with the exception of some who are double factor spangle which as mentioned will be pure white or pale yellow.

I definitely would ask the breeder again to be sure before breeding these two!
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many thanks again,i really must commened you on this site.

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Thank you Peter, for understanding our stance, and letting us know a little about yourself .

I’d also be concerned that the two aren’t related. You can talk to the breeder again, but of course depends on if you can believe them or not.

Best wishes... you know where to find answers to all the best information on breeding. If it’s been a while since you’ve bred birds, take a look at the info in the breeding section as a review, and look for updated practices.
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