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Old 07-06-2018, 05:50 PM
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Just got an albino in theory a male but not sure. I asked the seller about it and they went by the cere which i now read females can appear for a bit longer, so now wondering?

He did this because he was uncertain. The mother was lutino, father pied....so albino? He thought maybe an albino cock got to her before she went to breed with her paired male.

Your thoughts? Not sure how exactly sex linked genes work, especially when it's not obvious.

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Old 07-06-2018, 07:08 PM
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I think we'd need to see pictures of him or her to know for sure!
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If his mother was lutino and his father was not, then he could be male as the father must have been split for the gene for him to get it (this is assuming the pied budgie was his father). Since the breeder doesn't know for sure if she mated with another budgie before hand (hopefully not, as you shouldn't breed two ino budgies together to avoid potential genetic problems) then we can't say that for sure.

However, if you post a photo of him, we'll be able to confirm his gender for sure!
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I can but if the cere is more pink like a male, could it show a female not yet changed? Only just out of the nest box. Which is why i was wondering about the genetics. Is it possible for a lutino to produce an albino? Could the gene have come from her...which *i think* would mean a female albino. I dont know! But thats how he/she was sexed by the cere and it is definitely pink, so darker than the white of a female (at least what I've seen in pics) but then i read online that females can fool you. That's why i was curious about the sex link gene here.
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The gene for albino and lutino is the same one, for simplicity it is called the "ino" gene. The mother was lutino, which means she was a yellow-based bird with the ino gene. Because your budgie is albino, he is a white-based bird with the ino gene (i.e if he didn't have the albino gene he'd be blue and white rather than green and yellow).

If the father is split for ino (which is the only way to get a visual chick), then the resulting chick could be male or female -- males get an X chromosome with the ino gene from each parent, and females get a Y chromosome from their mum and an X chromosome with the ino gene from their dad, which means they also would show it.

Sex linked genes work like this: females need one copy of the gene to show it, as it is transferred on the X chromosome and they only have one (the other is a Y). Males need two copies of the gene as they have two X chromosomes, and if they only get one copy, they will appear non-ino (like the probable father of your albino) but still have one X chromosome with the gene (i.e will be split for it and can still pass that chromosome on). Does that make sense?

Also, regardless of mutation, female ceres always appear whitish or pale blue. So if his cere is true pink, he is male
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If it is only just out of the nestbox the cere will be pinkish regardless of the gender. Give it a few weeks to mature then you should be able to tell.
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Here's a pic of the little one.
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Tonic...that's what i was worried about after reading that albino females can confuse you for a bit. Problem now with waiting is that i wanted a male to go with my female. Not another female which is why i was asking the expert crew about genetics and how he/she is an albino if the mother is lutino and the father is pied (or possibly an albino if she was gotten before being put in the breeding cage.

So waiting a few weeks would mean some difficulty if i wanted to exchange her for a male or an extra bird to my cage that is well...extra. Ideally I'd like to pick the birds on looks, gender, aspects...not end up with a collection of mistakenly purchased birds lest i grow beyond my means, trying to get the ones i want.
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If he was just out of the nestbox, a good/normal breeder wouldn't let you take him home, he'd be too young. Therefore, he's at least old enough to determine gender.

He's a male if his cere is that dark pink in real life. What a beautiful boy!
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Thank you! I think he's just so lovely. And he's sweet too. Had him on my shoulder a bit this morn while on the computer and he was happy to be there. Just love him already!
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