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Thread Description:An update on the cinnamon pied budgie

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Old 03-20-2018, 02:32 AM
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Hi all! I am new to this forum and would really love some help and opinions on my current clutch They are 5 weeks old

I have had a numerous amount of opinions on the pied baby, but would love to know what you guys think?
I am still learning about mutations, I really want to learn more

Here are my 2 babies ...
Here are the parents ...


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Old 03-20-2018, 05:23 AM
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Looks like a male dominant pied.
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:35 AM
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Wow they are gorgeous! I don't know mutations that well but I believe iHeartPieds is correct. #1 I think is a male.
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Oops I didn't see baby #2 there! It's hard to tell without more pictures, but at the moment it's looking like a male dark eyed clear.
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They are beautiful!

Baby 1 looks like a cobalt cinnamon single factor dominant pied. Do you have more photos of him taken in natural light? For some reason it almost looks like he's got two shades of blue on his belly.

Baby 2 I can't see his wings well enough to comment on his full mutation but I think maybe he is spangle greywing (?) cobalt. More photos of him would be helpful too. He is also male

Mum is a sky blue opaline budgie, making all the boys split for opaline, and dad is a cobalt spangle budgie.

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Old 03-20-2018, 02:59 PM
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Hey there, two points...neither parent is a pied, and neither is cinnamon.

I have some thoughts on these babies, but am interested in other views as I think they are unusual.
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StarlingWings and tonic (budgie mutation experts) will work out the matter of the mutations between them.
I'll just say that I think your flock is beautiful!

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Oh, duh.

Toni is right. Baby 1 looks cinnamon but can't possibly be as she would have to be female if Dad were split. And Baby 1 is definitely male. Also-- no pied parents? Very odd. I'm thinking that perhaps the first chick is a chimera? More photos would help.
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Thankyou all, I thought here would be a good place to get the opinions on the babies, the pied is definitely unusual.
The pied does have 2 shades of blue, on the left (looking from front) it is sky blue and the other side has mostly cobalt/violet/grey looking colour, its spread unevenly through his chest.
The 2nd one has very light bar markings. I will get some more photos of the babies and post them soon
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More picture will be great! I agree with the pied being a half-sider/chimera, which is very special! The way the markings on the head are 'chopped off' half way across is another oddity that adds to the chimera idea.

It is quite young so I am not convinced it won't turn out to be a hen. And I think it is most likely a very heavily marked recessive pied, which are usually hens rather than cocks. It is a very odd pair of babies though!

The other chick looks to be a dark eyed clear, which would require both recessive pied and clearflight. So, maybe we have both parents split for recessive pied, and one of them being a clearflight without any obvious pied markings? Unlikely but possible! In that case the pied chick could turn out to be a clearflight/recessive pied chimera.

More pics will be great, and more as they age too! If the pied gets an iris ring it will clarify things. At the moment I am leaning towards dark eyed clear hen (if the faint markings are actually not real markings) and a skyblue and cobalt cinnamon recessive pied hen that is possibly also clearflight.
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