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Hello, can you help me determine these budgies' mutations?
I was so sure the left one was olive green that I even called her Oliva, but she has blue cheek patches and her tail feathers are black, so she must be grey-green.
The only problem is that I thought her deceased sister, Ambra, the right one, was grey-green and she looked different from Oliva.
What do you think? Are they both grey-green?
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Yes, they are both grey-green. Just like the green and blue birds, the grey ones (both grey and grey-green) come in three shades' light, medium and dark. This means there is plenty of range in shades available. With the greens you can also get varying amounts of blue showing through when they are young.
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Thank you!
Do you think Ambra (the right one in my first post) was opaline? I know you said that there are three different shades of grey-green, but the fact that the barring on her head was very reduced (unlike Oliva, who has a lot of bars on her head) would make me think she was opaline.
Plus, I think their other two sisters, in the two images, are opaline, do you agree?
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In your first post, the one on the right is Opaline. This mutation also dilutes the body colour a bit, so that's why she looks a little different than Olivia.

And yes, the two sisters are also opaline.
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Thank you!

It is weird that three chicks out of four/five (one of them died at the age of 15 days so I don't know what was their mutation, obviously) turned out to be opaline even if their parents are "normal".

Their father, who is grey, has lighter bars compared to the other grey budgies I saw online, but he is not opaline, right?
Here he is, with his mate (who is a "normal" light green female):

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He is definitely an opaline. Some of them can be quite heavily marked and look more 'normal' but you can clearly see the large white bar of white on his flights. Normals have a much narrower bar which is usually not visible when perched, like with the hen in the picture. You can also see the grey body colour between his shoulders even though it is less obvious on the wings.
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Thank you! But now there is a problem.

My original plan, when the chicks were just born, was to keep a male with the parents because I knew that two males get along better than two females (even if it depends on the budgies' personalities).
However, all their chicks looked like females to me, so I chose to keep a female, Celeste (the sky blue opaline), who had slip claws on both her feet, to help her, and I gave the other three chicks away.

But now, the fact that Sid (the cock) is opaline and Stella (the hen) is "normal" means that all the female chicks should have been opaline and all the male chicks should have been "normal" (but split for opaline) since the opaline gene is carried by the Z (X) chromosome and is recessive.

This explains why Ambra, Celeste and Sunny (the light green opaline) are all opaline females.
But this also means that Oliva, the "normal" grey-green who I thought was olive green, is a male, right?

Oliva has a purple cere, but it is lighter around the nostrils, this is why I thought they were female.
But, apparently, they are not, and this explains why they sing a lot and probably why Stella used to only feed Oliva when the chicks were almost weaned.
Stella is a bit bossy toward Celeste, and Celeste is afraid of her, but she is sometimes bossy towards Sid who, in return, becomes bossy. So, should I bring Oliva back (I guess Stella will be less bossy toward a male, and a male will also be peaceful, not making Sid angry) and give Celeste to my grandparents (who currently own Oliva)?

I know odd numbers are not ideal in a budgie flock, and the best thing to do would be, I guess, bringing Oliva back and keeping Celeste, having two males and two females.
Unfortunately, I think their cage is already too small for three budgies, let alone four, it is 20 x 16 x 21/28 inches (it has two roofs) and even if I was able to tame them to let them out of the cage for a few hours every day it would still be too small, and I can't buy a bigger one for now.
So, I have to make a choice.

Thanks in advance!

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