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Hi, I'm new to this field. Sorry for the basic question. Just got 2 budgies some days ago. Want to know what mutations are these? Also, what may be the result of their breed.

the seller told me that yellow one is probably a male and the blue one is female.
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One of our mutations experts will be able to assist you with regard to your birds' mutations.

Why are you asking about breeding them?
Before anyone answers questions regarding breeding, it is important we have more information from you so the best advice for your particular situation can be offered.

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In general, budgies will be much healthier and happier if they are not bred.

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Thank you for your reply...

I'm not going to breed them at the moment. just asked out of curiosity as I'm learning about budgies.

No, I haven't owned any pet before, this is the first time.

I don't know the exact age of these budgies but their nostrils are getting clear at the moment.

No, I don't know if they are related or not.

I have been providing them a seed mix purchased from a local bird store. (side question, do budgies eat walnut? I have tried to feed crushed walnut by mixing it in the seed mix, plus what else should I provide them?)

As you said budgies will be more healthy and happy if not bred. Well, I didn't know that, I thought it was a natural process, as when they come to age, they will breed.

Don't mind if I neglect some basics or sound foolish, I'm in the learning phase and will be glad if guided.



These budgies have changed me in a few days, now I'm getting more concerned about the birds and other animals.

Just installed 3 bird feeders in different places around my house.

Also, want to install bird boxes on a vacant wall (picture attached). Usually, the sun is on the back of this wall, and the wall only gets morning sunshine for about 2-3 hours in winter and 4-5 hours in summer. there is no protection from rain or wind. Should I install birdhouses on this wall? Will birds settle there if I install?



Also, bought a new pair of budgies too, male is sky blue (have a greyish head) single factor spangle. And female is violet in color with a white tail and abdomen and normal blackish feathers will need to learn about these too.

Hope to have an informational reply soon.

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Waqas
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How big is the cage you have the budgies in.
It is very important that you have a cage large enough to accommodate your birds properly. Are you housing all four birds together?

Please provide the length, width and height of the cage you are currently using.

Here are some links that will help you with the appropriate diet for your budgies:

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Hello and to the forums!

I'm glad you're not considering breeding right now. That should only be undertaken after significant experience and research

Your new budgies are adorable. Do you have any photos of their backs? It appears that they are both opaline, the green one is light green opaline and the blue one is light blue opaline. However, without seeing photos of their backs/wings I can't say for sure they don't have other or different mutations.

I look forward to seeing more of them!

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The cage I'm using for a pair is 18 x 18 x 20 inches (L x W x H). New ones are separate, I thought they may fight each other and the cage is not big enough.

@StarlingWings, Thanks for your kind reply. I'm attaching a back view of both yellow and sky blue budgies. The purpose is to learn, how do we learn that its an opaline? is there any article regarding identifying different varieties of budgies?

One more thing, I'm having these budgies from a month now, I provide them food and water daily, talk to them for a few minutes, sometimes place my hand on cage to show that I'm not a threat to them. But whenever I enter my hand in cage, they get scared and try to escape and fly away. Have tried to hold food in my hand but still no progress.

I was reading in budgies training and bonding section, it said reward your budgie with millet after click, my question is when there is plenty of food in the cage, why will budgie be attracted towards the food in my hand?
Any tips regarding bonding with my budgies?
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Unfortunately, I can't see the photos you posted. Could you try attaching them again?

This link may be helpful for understanding the basic mutations

https://www.talkbudgies.com/mutation...-all-mean.html

Also, millet should be used as a treat as it is very high in fat and that's why budgies like to eat it even if they have plenty of food. You shouldn't try and rush your budgies; especially with multiple they often will take a long time to warm up to you. Just talk to them gently as much as you can and don't try to move on to the next step before they're ready! I would continue doing just the step where you put your hand on the outside of their cage for a while so that they can get used to that more. I don't think they're ready to have your hand in the cage at this point.

Remember to be patient
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Thank you for your reply... actually, I forgot to attach pics the first time, edited it. Uploaded to drive, if still missing.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AoR...ew?usp=sharing, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WI7...ew?usp=sharing

Hope they will get used to me...
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Starling was correct on their mutations, both are Opaline.

Budgie mutations can get very confusing, so please don't be discouraged if you struggle in ID'ing certain birds. It will take a LONG time for you to learn how to ID colours, mutations, and learn about split mutations, sex linked genes, and masked (hidden) genes. And all these mutations can be combined in limitless combinations making it even crazier.

Heck, I've been breeding for a long time and sometimes even I still get confused and have to ask for help

Your training technique sounds like you are doing the right things. How often are you sitting and talking to your birds? If you can, try doing this as often as possible throughout your day, for about 10-15 minutes each session.

As Starling already mentioned, millet is like candy for budgies. Personally, I only ever use a millet spray as a treat and training tool for my birds. I never leave it in the cage for them to eat at their pleasure (They have millet in their seed mix, but they especially love the millet spray).

Training can take time, patience, and lots of love. Don't give up, and they will eventually come around to trusting you.
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