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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.
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Old 01-03-2010, 05:04 AM
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Looking at my new gray bird I see a lot of blue.

It made me wonder, what exactly is a gray?

A modified blue?

A dark steel gray bird vs a lighter gray color...

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Old 01-03-2010, 06:27 AM
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hi, we need pics to actually identify his mutation!
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Seems bird generics is difficult.

No, I mean, if you look at a Palomino horse you have a chestnut with one modifier gene that lightens the color, same goers for a buckskin (like Ben Cartwright in Bonanza rode) it's a bay/brown horse with one of the same color. (if there are 2 of the same deluteing gene you have a very light creme colored horse that is also guaranteed to pass one of them on.

So, Is the gray a variation of the blue, or do budgies have it more tricky.


When I bought my new bird she looked light gray, on the picture she looks blue tho.
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It's a colour additive, if you will. It adds a grey colour to a green budgie, and for blue budgie, they turn grey.

Here are some examples.

Grey green budgie as opposed to normal green:
[img]https://****************/v_greygreen1.jpg[/img][img]https://****************/v_darkgreen5.jpg[/img]

Grey budgie (from blue) as opposed to blue budgie:
[img]https://****************/v_grey1.jpg[/img][img]https://****************/v_cobalt2.jpg[/img]

I'm sure others could explain it better, but these are pictures showing the difference.

Pictures from:
https://****************/c_darkfactor.html
https://****************/c_grey.html
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i havent looked at the pictures and wont confuse myself with them

but grey is a colour adding factor.
you can have sf grey and df grey.
if you have a green budgie, the grey makes it look grey-green.
if you have a blue budgie, then you can see the blue but it looks darker with the grey.

if it is a df grey then usually it visually looks completely grey

thats what i have picked up from websites and this forum etc.
im sure someone will come along and correct me soon


didnt see your post there brandon, sorry - i wasnt disregarding your pictures. i meant i hadnt looked at the pics 4711 posted so as not to confuse myself lol.
your pictures are a better example than my explanation lol
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aight, got it.

The gray modifies the base color.

So my new girl is a blue bird under cover.
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u got the genetics part correct. the tricky part would be to identify them as budgies have so many mutations and combinations of these mutations would give very different outcomes as compaired to the original mutations. this is where i go wrong :s

having said that, your bird in the picture looks like a cinnamon opaline skyblue to me (no grey factor). i might be wrong.. and as you said, sometimes pictures dont bring out the colors our eyes see.
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u got the genetics part correct. the tricky part would be to identify them as budgies have so many mutations and combinations of these mutations would give very different outcomes as compaired to the original mutations. this is where i go wrong :s

having said that, your bird in the picture looks like a cinnamon opaline skyblue to me (no grey factor). i might be wrong.. and as you said, sometimes pictures dont bring out the colors our eyes see.


Sounds fancy!

The real live color is not as blue. really a pale gray with a blue tint. (and a few white spots on the belly)

So to be sure The birds had to be tested?
Do they have DNA tests for budgie color?
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Actually I think she's a Mauve Opaline Pied. Not grey, as mauve can look like grey with blue. If she is grey, her cheek patch would be a silver-grey colour, not dark blue.
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if the birds cheek patches are grey or light blue then it will be a grey, but if the cheek patches are violet blue then it is a mauve. mauve is hte darkest shade of blue and often looks like a patchy grey. greys are not usually patchy in colour.

they do not test for colours and sex with dna etc. usually you really want to know then you breed with them... and see what turns up in the chicks.
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