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CuteLittleBirdies 01-10-2010 10:09 PM

what do you guys think?
 
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Hello!

I have this pair and am not sure what they are, what are your thoughts? I hope you can see well enough in the pics, it has been really cloudy here for days so I have unfortunatly not been able to use natural light which I know is the best.

The female is very violet althought its kind of hard to tell in some of the pics, and she has brownish grey wing and tail markings. is she a skyblue violet opaline greywing or cinnamon maybe?

And the male is a very pale blue/violet, on his belly and a little brighter blue on his back and rump. He has spots on his belly like a pied and white flight feathers, do you think hes a domanant pied skyblue violet opaline with dilute or greywing? I'm bad at the dilute greywing cinnamon etc stuff. Let me know what you think please!

The first and last are pics of the female and the rest the male.

Budgiebreeder11 01-11-2010 12:30 AM

From the photos and your discription I think the female is an opaline cinnamon skyblue violet. The male is an opaline greywing skyblue violet.

Caspir 01-11-2010 12:30 PM

Both are truly beautiful - I'm loving the color! :)

tonic 01-11-2010 08:01 PM

hmm, i think the male looks like an opaline dilute to me? i am not sure about pied, it is hard to see if he has true pied patches or just patchy diluted areas. if the flight feathers are white then he probably is a pied also.

the hen looks opaline greywing to me, though her body colour is strong... maybe a full coloured greywing? i haven't much experience with them so am guessing! or perhaps a heavily marked clearwing as they have the stronger body colour and cheek patches...

CuteLittleBirdies 01-16-2010 07:24 PM

So a dilute bird can have patches just like a pied? how do you tell the difference?

And is there any way to know for sure which one the female is? =) I'm kinda confused haha

tonic 01-17-2010 12:17 AM

i have had another look, it is tricky with the lighting and the angles of the photos but heres what i think...

the first and last photos, i am thinking a cobalt opaline clearwing cinnamon. the body colour and cheek patches look strong like a clearwing rather than a greywing which is lighter than usual. The wings are definitely brownish grey which is why i think cinnamon. i have never seen a clearwing cinnamon in the flesh so may be wrong. you say she is violet, it is hard to get it to show on a photo so i will trust your judgement and say she is violet opaline clearwing cinnamon!

the other i think is a cobalt opaline dilute clearflight pied. again it is tricky to see but the flight feathers look white so it is a pied. dilutes do not have patches... sorry to be confusing!

i think you got the sexes correct.

CuteLittleBirdies 01-17-2010 01:09 AM

Sorry I didnt mean to imply I didnt know the sexes... rather I was asking what mutation the female was since you had mentioned more than one possibility =) Would it help if I post more pics?

Thank you very much for your help tonic! =)

nev90 01-17-2010 04:20 AM

The hen has very bright body colour so she is unlikely to be cinnamon because cinnamon dilutes the body colour. I think she is opaline full body greywing or possibly a very darkly marked opaline clearwing.

The cock looks like an opaline greywing cobalt. The greywing gene can dilute the body colour by about 50%. It is difficult to tell if he is also pied from the photos but if he is pied the type is probably clearflight. If he was a dilute I would expect the body colour to be paler

Usually if a bird is both greywing & cinnamon or clearwing & cinnamon the wing markings are very light

Sorry to be so indecisive

CuteLittleBirdies 01-17-2010 05:31 AM

Thank you for your opinions nev! I will try to take some pics of them both in natural light tomorrow to see if it makes it clearer what they are if you dont mind looking at them to see what you think =)

One other question though. From what I've read a full body color greywing is a mix of a greywing and clearwing gene right? If thats correct and The cock is a greywing and she is a heavily marked clearwing I will get all full body color greywings from this pair correct?
And if not she is a greywing? Or is that not right? Just wondering so if I don't know for sure just by looking I will know what they are by the chicks =)

riotfox 01-17-2010 08:02 AM

yes thats what a full body greywing is. and yes, presuming neither parent is split for dilute then it should be all full body greywing chicks. im not quite sure what youre asking with the last question.


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