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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Is it possible to have an Opaline / gray wing budgie? Why or why not?

Lol and here's a bonus question if you can answer it: what are some examples of possible mutation combinations? And what are some combinations of mutations that are not possible or not visible?

Just out of curiosity!

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Is it possible to have an Opaline / gray wing budgie? Why or why not?

Lol and here's a bonus question if you can answer it: what are some examples of possible mutation combinations? And what are some combinations of mutations that are not possible or not visible?

Just out of curiosity!
Yes a budgie can be both opaline and greywing or it can be opaline split for greywing. If it is male it can be greywing split for opaline

There are literally hundreds of possible combinations. I have several birds with at least 5 mutations. Among my favourites are the yellow face opaline spangle dominant pied violets

A bird cannot be both greywing and dilute or clearwing and dilute, but it can be either clearwing or greywing split for dilute. It also can be both clearwing and greywing

Lutinos, albinos, double factor spangles and dark eyed clears can mask (hide) most other mutations
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A bird cannot be both greywing and dilute or clearwing and dilute, but it can be either clearwing or greywing split for dilute. It also can be both clearwing and greywing
could you please elaborate on this. thanks
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i havent got any pics on my laptop but heres an old thread of mine, scratchy is an opaline greywing
https://www.talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=38138
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Greywing and clearwing are both dominant to dilute. If a bird had genes for greywing (or clearwing) and dilute it would be a greywing (or clearwing) split for dilute.
This works the same way as normal and greywing. A bird can't show both mutations it would be normal split greywing

Greywing and clearwing are co-dominant to each other so if a bird had both of these mutations they would both show. The name for a composite greywing and clearwing is "Full body greywing"
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greywing, clearwing and dilute are three mutations of the same gene so they work slightly different than other varieties sometimes.

each gene has two copies (ignoring the sex linked genes at the moment!). as these three mutations are all found on the same gene a bird can only have two of them present at a time.

greywing and clearwing are dominant to dilute, greywing and clearwing are incompletely dominant to each other = they form and intermediate variety when both present.

so a bird can have the following genes present:

greywing and clearwing = full bodied greywing
greywing and dilute = greywing/dilute - looks greywing
clearwing and dilute = clearwing/dilute - looks clearwing
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oh whilst on this subject what is dominant cinammon or greywing?
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Scratchy reminds me of Tanti? Is Tanti perhaps this mutation?

And if she is, I spose you have another example hey
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oh whilst on this subject what is dominant cinammon or greywing?
Cinnamon is sex-linked, greywing is recessive so neither is dominant to the other. If you have a bird with both mutations it is usually an in-between shade and often quite hard to identify
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Thanks for the replies! It's cool to know that it is possible. i would love to come across a cobalt blue Opaline gray wing someday!

Does anyone know where i can find pictures of various mutation combinations?
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