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Question What mutations are these birds?

what mutations are these budies in terms of dilute/greywing/clearwing.

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this was supposed to appear in the thread 'just a question' by vDavis but somehow it appeared as a new thread. anyways here is the link to the thread.
https://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=51546
can someone help me move this to that thread please.

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Hi
The reason this was moved as its own thread is because the other thread was getting a little off topic and the thread starter already got her response. To help keep threads on topic and specific to the thread starter's particular questions, it is best to keep questions such as yours in their own thread. It will generate responses and discussions specific to your pictures and what you're looking for.
The genetic experts (the ones that answered on the other thread) will definitely see this one as well
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thanks zeena, i understand..
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i think the first could be a dilute, is it patchy like a pied also?

the second one looks like a cinnamon but it is hard to tell yet

the third looks like a grey dilute opaline

and the last a cinnamon opaline yellow face 2...
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thanx tonic
i know the fourth one looks cinnamon but its parents have raised four clutches and no cinnamons. there have been many greywings though. cud it be a greywing too but appear cinnamonish because of the yellowface gene spreading yellow to the body?
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the yf should not affect the markings colour that much... but then photos are often 'off' in colour anyway...

is it a cock or a hen? was either parent a cinnamon? knowing that would help work out if a cinnamon is even possible.
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Greywing and dilute mutations are always hard to be sure about but I'll try:

The 1st one could be a yellow face dominant pied dilute but without a back view it is only a guess

The chick in the 2nd picture is probably a yellow face greywing

3rd picture looks like dilute suffused with grey

4th picture is a yellow face opaline greywing sky blue

5th picture. Not sure if it is a dilute or a grey-green greywing. It could also be cinnamon which makes it even harder to judge without breeding history

Here are pictures of two of my birds whose mutations are difficult to see. The first one is a T2 yellow face cinnamon clearwing. Although the cinnamon is not obvious she must be cinnamon because her father is cinnamon (Her cheek patches are a good clue).

The second bird I thought was a clearwing with light cheek patches or a greywing with pale wing markings until I decided to test breed her to find out her mutation. Mated to a cinnamon cock she produced six cinnamon chicks of both sexes which proves that she must be a cinnamon as well as her other mutation



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thanks tonic

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the yf should not affect the markings colour that much... but then photos are often 'off' in colour anyway...
is it a cock or a hen? was either parent a cinnamon? knowing that would help work out if a cinnamon is even possible.
it is a hen. her mom is a cobalt (no other visible mutation). dad is a skyblue yf (no other visible mutations). so both parents have to be split for either greywing or dilute (or cinnamon ) n dad has to be split for opaline.

thanks nev
the pictures helped a lot. articles on genetics and mutations make it sound so easy
nev, i am sorry i dont have another picture of the 1st budgie, i had her for a few months and exchanged her with a friend. put her picture as well to understand the dilute/greywing/clearwing mutations better.
i have paired the budgies in the 3rd and 5th pictures and have 5 eggs now (dont worry they are old enuff, the pictures are very old )
so guess the babies might give answers.

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it is a hen. her mom is a cobalt (no other visible mutation). dad is a skyblue yf (no other visible mutations). so both parents have to be split for either greywing or dilute (or cinnamon ) n dad has to be split for opaline.
yes that sounds right.

thanks for the pics nev! it seems like mixing cinnamon with the dilutes makes id pretty tricky!
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