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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Old 04-19-2010, 09:51 PM
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K so i've done a post on this before, but now khyra is older and her personality and size is more obvious to me now.

She's almost twice the size of my male (when he's not puffed up being a man lols) and she's also really quiet - and i heard that english budgies are generally more quiet and easier to tame - which she is. She's far tamer then i've ever been able to get turtle to be, and like i said she's really quiet (she's not sick She does make noise! and can be very loud). Turtle when he's perching even when he's napping he makes these little quiet chips and sings and stuff. Khyra when she's perching just perches and sort of smiles etc. She'll only really make noise if someone is annoying her, or she's calling to me or turtle or the other budgie in our house, or if she's really really excited and hyper. lols.

She's in my sig. but i'll try post a more recent photo soon. cheers.

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She looks 100% english to me
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the whole english, american.... thing is a bit confusing. originally english budgies were those imported from england! they tended to be bigger and a different shape as they were from show breeders. that was the reason they were imported, to catch the rest of the world up to the same standard as the english. however they are exactly the same species etc

so unless your bird has been exclusively bred from birds imported from england then it is likely to be a mix of show and pet type budgies.

i suspect that the term english budgie is beginning to mean any large, show style bird rather than a more wild type one... in which case you can make the decision for yourself whether to call it that!
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New Zealand has a very solid base of english birds among breeders and as a result it is quite common to find the 'lesser' culled birds for sale in pet stores. If you got both birds from pet stores, you will probably find one of them was originally bred by a 'back yard' breeder - those who typically buy birds and leave them to breed colony style, which always results in tiny birds. While the other one is probably a cull from a show breeder, and while it may have been small or otherwise not up to standard with their other birds, it will always be much bigger than those colony bred pet size ones!
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hi dean,

do you know if many breeders have kept the english bloodlines separate from the nz birds? i imagine many of them were interbred to improve local budgies. i would also think that any 'pure english' rejects would still be valuable show birds to some and not pet shop material. however i have not been involved in shows for a few years and am out of touch so could be wrong!
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Turtle was from a pet store. But khyra was from a local breeder. she had some english budgies. so who knows.
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The original australian stock was selectively bred in NZ much like it was in england. However you must hand it to the english, they are very good at what they do and made improvements far beyond what we had achieved.

When the english bird shipment arrived in NZ in the late 1990's the breeders I spoke with who were breeding back then (including those who spent 10's of thousands getting the english birds into NZ) say that almost everyone gave up on their NZ birds in favour of the english. Some breeders could only afford a single english pair or chicks from the pairs of other breeders and tried to integrate the blood into their own lines so yes there was some blending and some who maintained the 'pure' english blood lines.

Its hard to say what is what these days. I know there are very few breeders who have pure descendants of those english imports, and most others would have a mix of the best of the NZ birds and whatever english blood they could get. To be honest there is now little difference between the top english and the top 'other' show birds in NZ. They are simply bred as well as possible.

On a worldwide scale, we are again behind compared to the look and size of the english birds (as well as south africa, canada, and other areas who can still freely import/export budgies with england) and I can tell you there is work under way see if we can re-open exports from england as a permanent thing or another single shipment but this is some years off at not certain (lots of red tape).

Hope that answers your question a bit!
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On a purely curious note, FYI it collectively cost the collective group from NZ about $150,000 to import around 100 english budgies, some of which died in transit. I believe around 90 survived, of which not all of them bred... perhaps 30 pairs after all is said and done.

Worth it do you think? Just goes to show what lengths some of us will go for these little lovely fluff balls eh
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thanks for that dean.

i remember the excitement of the imports, and figured it must have been a huge investment. i know that nz has been used to smuggle parrots before, something about bringing them in then exporting them as aviary bred ones. maybe that is why it is so hard to import them?

of course the risk of a parrot disease getting into native parrots must also be a big factor... i know the urge to have the best is strong, but i think i would prefer us to slog away with what we have. that must have been how the english did it originally.
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I cant remember off the top of my head what they are specifically, but I know there are a few aviary viruses present in england that are either not in NZ or not at all common. NZ is VERY VERY tight about keeping avian diseases out because of the threat to our native species so it's an uphill battle with very slim chances of success.
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