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If a hen has cinnamon markings she either got it from her father or grandfather correct?

Same with spangle because both are dominant?

And only a male can pass it onto chicks.

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Yep. If a hen is Cinnamon then she got the gene from her dad. (who would either have to be Cinnamon himself or split for it). It's a sex-linked gene.

No about Spangle though. Spangle is dominant, therefore if you have a Spangle baby one of the parents had to be Spangle, it doesn't matter which one, mother or father. No bird can be split for Spangle.
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It would definately come from the father as hens cannot get sex linked genes from their mother. Hens will pass their cinnamon gene on to all sons and none of their daughters. Spangle is different in that it can be passed to either son or daughter as it is not sex linked, and because it is a dominant gene it cannot be hidden either (and therefore must have come from one of her parents).
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Neither of her parents were cinammon so her father would have been split since her fathers mother was cinnamon, corret?
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Neither of her parents were cinammon so her father would have been split since her fathers mother was cinnamon, corret?
Somewhat correct - It would be better to say that neither are visiable cinnamons. Cinnamon is on the female gene so the cock is split for cinnamon and all his daughters will be cinnamon. Cinnamon chicks hatch out with red eyes that will darken in a few days - so if your checking the nest box daily you can count the hens as they hatch.
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Somewhat correct - It would be better to say that neither are visiable cinnamons. Cinnamon is on the female gene so the cock is split for cinnamon and all his daughters will be cinnamon. Cinnamon chicks hatch out with red eyes that will darken in a few days - so if your checking the nest box daily you can count the hens as they hatch.
Wow very helpful. Thank you!
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For a cock to be split cinnamon either its father was a cinnamon and its mother a normal, or the mother was a cinnamon and the father was normal (or split cinnamon). If the cock birds mother in this case was cinnamon he is definately split for it, which also explains why the hen you have is cinnamon.

Kerry I don't get what you mean about cinnamon being on the female gene? Cinnamon is on the X chromosome, of which males have two and females have one (one X and one Y, requiring only one sex linked X gene to be visual for sex linked mutations). Also a cock bird split for cinnamon will not produce all cinnamon females, he will produce 50% normal and 50% cinnamon as he has one normal X and one cinnamon carrying X gene, of which there is a purely 50/50 chance of passing on either one to any of his chicks regardless of gender.
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You guys have me confused now But I will wait and see the final answers about cinnamon and splits
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dean has it correct.

you are right that the father must have been split and he got the gene from his mother. a cinnamon hen is Xcin/Y = X chromosome with the cinnamon gene from her dad, and the Y chromosome from her mum....
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[QUOTE=Guthwulf;622372]cinnamon). If the cock birds mother in this case was cinnamon he is definately split for it, which also explains why the hen you have is cinnamon.[QUOTE]

And based on that, a hen can transfer cinnamon genes to her hen chicks, right?!
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