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Question Genetics/Mutations of bubs

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I have been over the stickies etc many times about all the
genetics and mutations of budgies, yet the information has
gone astray, and on some points I have no idea what Im
looking at. So I have a question about my bubs.
Breeding Journal Of Grace and George:
https://www.talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=54221

George: Dominant Pied Mauve cock I guess \\ He also has clear flights? White flight feathers
Grace: Double Factor Dominant pied sky blue hen

We originally thought Grace was recessive pied, but her
Iris rings are now very visible.

Due to this pair's current bubs, Im now thinking George carries
the Opaline gene, as It doesn't seem it is visible. I have 4 Violet bubs that have come from these 2. I know... Violet!

These 2 have produced what looks like
2 opaline violet bubs.. Not sure on the pied factors.
and 2 white bubs with violet, one is dominant pied on back of head.

So how can you tell single & double factor dominant pieds?
And are opaline sex linked? How does this work?

Anything further I should know about these mutations?
I was once told they would produce 50% single factor and
50% double factor dominant pied chicks.

Please explain ^_^ Karma for helpful answers to all

Here's some pictures from today.
In order here
Bub 3, Bub 4, Bub 1, Bub 2




bub 3


bub 2


bub 4 & 2, Opalines?


Bub 2 then bub 4


bub 2


bub 1


bub 4


bub 1


bub 3

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Here are my guesses..

Chick 1 - Violet dominant pied, skyblue or cobalt
Chick 2 - Violet skyblue opaline
Chick 3 - Violet DF dominant pied skyblue or cobalt
Chick 4 - Violet skyblue opaline

Seems like daddy is carrying opaline which means the opaline bubs are females and the other two must be males split for opaline. Lucky they are all violet

I'm not an expert! but those are my opinions
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With as much white those two have I'd sar recessive pied or double factor dominant pied. Recessive=no iris and DF dom pied=iris But you won't know till they are older. If I remember right wasn't one of the parents DF dom pied?
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I don't know but they are Adorable !!
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Two are opaline. The other two are pieds but need a better picture to be sure about the type
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aw they are so cute Teegzy, the two you think are opaline are opaline (i love opalines), and the other two pied, im not sure on what type of pied. they are just getting cuter and cuter.
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Here are my guesses..

Chick 1 - Violet dominant pied, skyblue or cobalt
Chick 2 - Violet skyblue opaline
Chick 3 - Violet DF dominant pied skyblue or cobalt
Chick 4 - Violet skyblue opaline

Seems like daddy is carrying opaline which means the opaline bubs are females and the other two must be males split for opaline. Lucky they are all violet

I'm not an expert! but those are my opinions
Thankyou, very helpful. I didnt realise... If dad carries a
hidden opaline gene, then all opaline bubs are female
They ARE both female, eldest pied is female also the one
with allt he black on her head, and the other pied is male.
So I guess the pied male is split for opaline?


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With as much white those two have I'd sar recessive pied or double factor dominant pied. Recessive=no iris and DF dom pied=iris But you won't know till they are older. If I remember right wasn't one of the parents DF dom pied?
Yes Grace is DF dom pied, I still wonder how that works
between double & single factor DP.

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I don't know but they are Adorable !!
hehhe yes they are

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Two are opaline. The other two are pieds but need a better picture to be sure about the type
Thanks I guess I already gathered that.

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aw they are so cute Teegzy, the two you think are opaline are opaline (i love opalines), and the other two pied, im not sure on what type of pied. they are just getting cuter and cuter.
Hehe they are arnt they. They are so big now
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Thankyou, very helpful. I didnt realise... If dad carries a
hidden opaline gene, then all opaline bubs are female
They ARE both female, eldest pied is female also the one
with allt he black on her head, and the other pied is male.
So I guess the pied male is split for opaline?


If only the dad has the opaline gene and the mom is not opaline then all opalines are female.

I think with your pair you had the chances to get opaline females, pied females (any combination of the two) pied males and pied males split for opaline.

So I'm not sure if your male is split for opaline or not. I think there's a 50% chance that he is.

Like I said before I'm not expert but I think that's how it goes and I better leave it at that or I'll get myself all confused lol

You have a very cute clutch of budgies
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Neither of the parents can be double factor dominant pied because if they were all the chicks would have inherited the dominant pied.

The pied chicks can't be double factor dominant pied unless both parents are dominant pied

You could have dominant pieds that don't have much marking or a combination of pied types
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