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Old 08-17-2010, 10:56 AM
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As I've mentioned a few times in replies to other threads, I am more than excited to try my hand at breeding. I know that I'm not going to get rich, and I could care less about how much money I make. So, I was just curious about the mutations I would get out of my two pairs.

I plan on pairing Louis and Ivory, as they are the two that are closest, and Cali and Odin, since they too have bonded.

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Louis is a - Dominant Pied Opaline Cinnamon Sky blue Female
Ivory is a - Dark Eyed Clear

Cali is a - Opaline Light Green Recessive Pied
Odin is a - Dominant Pied Yellow Face II Sky Blue (or Nev mentioned Violet as well, but that can only be certain with breeding)

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Hmm. I wish I were good at this!
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Louis is a - Dominant Pied Opaline Cinnamon Sky blue Female
Ivory is a - Dark Eyed Clear
I'm not sure about the dark eyed clear genes. But I will guess that you will have...
dominant pieds
clear flight pieds
normals
sky blues
males that are split for opaline and cinnamon
maybe recessive pied if Louis is split for recessive pied

Cali is a - Opaline Light Green Recessive Pied
Odin is a - Dominant Pied Yellow Face II Sky Blue
(or Nev mentioned Violet as well, but that can only be certain with breeding)
You will get ...
dominant pieds
light green
single factor violets if there is a violet factor
males will be split for opaline
maybe skyblue if Cali is split for blue and maybe recessive pied if Odin is split for it. If you have blues about half will be yellow face type two.
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Hmm. Too bad Ivory and Cali didn't bond better, I could get DEC out of them Ah well.

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Louis is a - Dominant Pied Opaline Cinnamon Sky blue Female
Ivory is a - Dark Eyed Clear

Are you sure that Ivory is a dark eyed clear, they are not very common and many double factor spangles that are masking recessive pied are incorrectly identified as dark eyed clear.
Assuming you have the mutations right:
25% dominant pied blue (shades depending on the dark factor of the dark eyed clear)
25% clearflight pied blue
25% normal blue
25% combination dominant pied & clearflight pied
Opaline & cinnamon will only show is the cock bird is carrying either of these mutations. The chicks will all be split for recessive pied but it will only be visible if the hen is split for recessive pied. A dark eyed clear can mask other mutations so expect some surprises


Cali is a - Opaline Light Green Recessive Pied
Odin is a - Dominant Pied Yellow Face II Sky Blue

Which is the male?
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Are you sure that Ivory is a dark eyed clear, they are not very common and many double factor spangles that are masking recessive pied are incorrectly identified as dark eyed clear.

Which is the male?
How would I know if Ivory wasn't a DEC? That is the mutation I got when I asked about him... And would he have an Iris ring, or would his eyes be a plum color because of the rec. pied? He has no iris ring, but his eyes are black.

And Cali is a female and Odin is a boy Would pictures help?

Here are the better pictures I have of them, if you need them.
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How would I know if Ivory wasn't a DEC? That is the mutation I got when I asked about him... And would he have an Iris ring, or would his eyes be a plum color because of the rec. pied? He has no iris ring, but his eyes are black.
The only way to be sure is to look at your breeding results. If he is a double factor spangle that is masking recessive pied the results will be quite different

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And Cali is a female and Odin is a boy
Cali is a - Opaline Light Green Recessive Pied
Odin is a - Dominant Pied Yellow Face II Sky Blue
If neither bird is split for aything you'd get:
50% light green dominant pied
50% light green normal

If Cali is split for blue you'd get sky blue & yellow face as well as the light greens. If Odin is split for opaline or recessive pied you would get these mutations
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The only way to be sure is to look at your breeding results. If he is a double factor spangle that is masking recessive pied the results will be quite different
Oh, hmm. Is there a difference in color of the eyes? Because I've heard people talking about Rec. Pied's "plum" eyes. Does that mean they have a deep purple tinge to them? Ivory's eyes are completely dark.

Though, now that I think about it, he probably isn't a DEC, it would be too rare to have a pet store, I could imagine. Well, we love him just the same!
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