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Old 09-26-2010, 10:38 PM
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I am trying to get all my birds genetics right and can't decide if my spangle hen, who is violet, but not so in the pic is also opaline. You can see that the body color is in the wing area so I think she is.. Can anyone tell me if that is the case? There are so many different variations I get confused.. lol



Also, Tony is a dominent grey pied, I believe.




If mated with my spangle would I get 50% spangles? And is the grey dominant so that I would get all grey since violet is just a color adder in blue..

I should just breed green and green so I understand...lol.....

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Old 09-27-2010, 02:10 AM
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I dont think the spangle is opaline... just has some color in her wings like alot of spangles do. Your male is a sf domanant pied grey with opaline though .

If you bred them you should get half single factor spangles yes. As far as colors violet and grey are both domanant color adding factors that can be in green and blue birds, and a bird can be single factor or double factor depending on if they got a gene from both parents or just one.
If the violet hen is a single factor half of the chicks will be single factor violets and half normal. If she is double factor violet all of the chicks will be single factor violets.
If the grey cock is a single factor grey half of the chicks will be single factor grey and half normal. Or if he is a double factor grey all of the chicks will be single factor grey

More than likely you will end up with some beautiful combinations of both grey and violet spangles

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The spangle is not opaline even though there is a little opalescence showing in the wings

The dominant pied is opaline

Spangle, dominant pied and grey are all dominant and each mutation will show in about 50% of the chicks. When the male is opaline all the female chicks will be opaline
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One of my normal spangles, or is it ?

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ok, lets see if I can put this all together in my mind... oh, never mind,, Lindsey your last line is all I really care about...lol...
But since I am trying to understand,, lets assume the hen is sf violet and the cock sf grey. will that give me 25% violet, 25% grey, 25% green and 25% blue, or am I totally off course? And of those colors, 50% spangle and 50% pied, or will there be some normal in there also?

Nev,, you don't mention violet in your outcome, does the grey mask it??

Barrie, I think your asking if it is one of yours, nope, but I will take it as a compliment,, thank you I am on the other side of the big pond... lol
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ok, lets see if I can put this all together in my mind... oh, never mind,, Lindsey your last line is all I really care about...lol...
But since I am trying to understand,, lets assume the hen is sf violet and the cock sf grey. will that give me 25% violet, 25% grey, 25% green and 25% blue, or am I totally off course? And of those colors, 50% spangle and 50% pied, or will there be some normal in there also?
you will not get any greens, as neither parent is green.

if both parents are sf, you will get all blue series. some with grey added, some with violet added, some with both grey and violet added (can look mauveish) and some with neither grey or violet.

for the varieties, you could get normals, spangles, dom pied and dom pied spangles.
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Thanks Tonic, I was thinking grey was added to green, but it is actually added to blue. So I see your point. Dom Pied spangle sounds very interesting..

Thanks to all for helping me understand a little better..
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