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Old 10-10-2010, 02:02 PM
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I plan on breeding two pairs next year. I haven't finalized anything, but the possibilites are:

1) Grey Bird X Vera (cinnamon grey cock X grey green normal hen)
This is the pair I'm most curious about. Will the fact that they are both greys have a darkening effect on their offspring? I know the females will be cinnamon and the males will be normal, but I'm curious about body color.

2) Purl X Bruce (opaline greywing hen X YF2 spangle opaline cock)
This is the pair I'm most excited about. I believe Purl is violet factored. It's difficult to get a photo that shows how purple she really is. And I'm thinking since the purple usually shows in cobalts that she is a cobalt with diluted body color due to being greywing. Bruce has very few markings on his wings, and they are grey. So I'm thinking he's greywing. Other than spangle, no one has remarked on his wing marking mutations. I'm also thinking he is cobalt as he is much darker than my normal sky blue hen.

3) Malcolm X Bette (sf dominant pied green cock X normal sky blue hen)
I would be hoping for some blue pieds, but I understand this would only happen if Mal is split for blue.

4) Luna X Kernel (grey green cinnamon clearwing hen X lutino cock)
I haven't studied much on this possible combination, but I'm guessing I'd have lutino hens and grey green cocks. No idea about the wing mutation outcomes.

Any suggestions of pairs or outcome possiblities will be happily received.
The one I'm most curious about is the first one and if the body color with be super dark grey since they're both grey. Thanks, everyone!

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1) Grey Bird X Vera (cinnamon grey cock X grey green normal hen)
This is the pair I'm most curious about. Will the fact that they are both greys have a darkening effect on their offspring? I know the females will be cinnamon and the males will be normal, but I'm curious about body color.
If they are both single factor grey you’ll get about 25% double factor grey, 50% single factor grey & 25% that will not inherit grey. Usually a double factor grey will not look any different from a single factor grey but there is often a lot of variation in the shade of grey whether they are single or double factor. If the hen is split for blue you’d get about half blue series & half green series. If she is not split for blue they’ll all be green series. All the females will be cinnamon
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2) Purl X Bruce (opaline greywing hen X YF2 spangle opaline cock)
This is the pair I'm most excited about. I believe Purl is violet factored. It's difficult to get a photo that shows how purple she really is. And I'm thinking since the purple usually shows in cobalts that she is a cobalt with diluted body color due to being greywing. Bruce has very few markings on his wings, and they are grey. So I'm thinking he's greywing. Other than spangle, no one has remarked on his wing marking mutations. I'm also thinking he is cobalt as he is much darker than my normal sky blue hen.
About half the chicks should inherit violet. If they are both cobalt you’ll get about 50% cobalt, 25% mauve & 25% sky blue. Half the chicks will inherit spangle & all the chicks will be opaline. The wing markings on a spangle are often quite light so he may not be a greywing but if he is all the chicks will be greywing

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3) Malcolm X Bette (sf dominant pied green cock X normal sky blue hen)
I would be hoping for some blue pieds, but I understand this would only happen if Mal is split for blue.
That’s right, to get blue the green bird would have to be split for blue. About half should be dominant pied

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4) Luna X Kernel (grey green cinnamon clearwing hen X lutino cock)
I haven't studied much on this possible combination, but I'm guessing I'd have lutino hens and grey green cocks. No idea about the wing mutation outcomes.
Lutino hens & greens and grey green cocks, unless both birds are split for blue. The lutino could be masking any mutation so expect surprises
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