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One of my couples is; a dark eyed clear(yellow) boy and a opaline cinnamone light blue girl.
And a double-factor spangle(yellow)boy and a opaline cinnamone light blue girl.
What colour will be their babies?

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One of my couples is; a dark eyed clear(yellow) boy and a opaline cinnamone light blue girl.
And a double-factor spangle(yellow)boy and a opaline cinnamone light blue girl.
What colour will be their babies?

Thanks for your help...
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All greens unless the dark eyed clear and double factor spangle are split for blue.
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One of my couples is; a dark eyed clear(yellow) boy and a opaline cinnamone light blue girl.
And a double-factor spangle(yellow)boy and a opaline cinnamone light blue girl.
What colour will be their babies?

Thanks for your help...
1. Dark-eyed clear (DEC) is a combination of clearflight and recessive pied of which the former gene is a dominant one while the latter one is a recessive gene. When DEC is mated to a non-pied budgie, the dominant clearflight gene will act producing as expected, clearflight pieds. Assuming the parents have NO hidden gene, you would expect the offsprings are all green coloured budgies due to green is dominant over blue and 100% split for recessive pied. 50% clearflight pieds and 50% normals. Male chicks will be all split for opaline and cinnamon.

2. DF spangles have 2 spangle genes in one budgie. As such, their offsprings are 100% spangles (no normals). Male chicks will be split for opaline and cinnamon. Assuming the parents have no hidden gene, the colour expected is 100% green.

If the DEC or DF spangle cock is split for blue, the resulting offsprings will have blue and green coloured ones.
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Ok. Thanks for your answer. I have a question.
My male budgies father is dark eyed clear yellow,mother is DF spangle yellow.
Is that make any difference?
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yes that would make a difference. however it would be fairly uncommon to get those two males from those two parents... are you certain of what the males are?

however if they are correct then you can expect spangles and clearflights from both matings.
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Ok. Thanks for your answer. I have a question.
My male budgies father is dark eyed clear yellow,mother is DF spangle yellow.
Is that make any difference?
Yes, it does make a lot of differences. To get back DEC in the offsprings for the parents mentioned above, there must be the presence of a recessive pied gene. The mother has been proven by your past breeding that she is split for recessive pied. However, the male DEC offsprings already has a recessive gene and as such, can't be split for recessive pied not possible.

The other offspring (DF spangle) producing from this pair mentioned above is a mystery. Are you sure you differentiate correctly between DEC and DF Spangle. Please show pictures of their eyes (closeup).

DEC has dark eyes with no iris rings. DF spangle has white iris rings.
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I think that birds are often incorrectly identified as dark eyed clear. The dark eyed clear was very popular in the 1950s when it was fashionable to breed them but now days they are not often seen. Just because the bird is clear white or yellow with no iris ring doesn't prove that it is a dark eyed clear. Many double factor spangles have no iris ring (& a pink male cere) because they are masking recessive pied. To get a dark eyed clear the bird must be both clearflight pied and recessive pied. Since the banded dominant pied has become so popular clearflight pieds have become quite scarce so the chances of finding dark eyed clears are not great
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keep us posted on these pairs so we can see what the chicks are!
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