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Old 12-12-2010, 08:38 AM
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Hi,

Please excuse me if i come across as stupid here, got a couple of questions but I am totally new so these might be REALLY silly questions/theories...

So Anakin is coming up 11 weeks, if I am correct in thinking he will be due his first moult soon? Can there colours change slightly during the first moult? The reason I am asking is I had him sitting on my chest today and I was looking really closely at his feathers. Now if i'm right, he is a sky blue spangle, but today I noticed he has the tiniest bit of blue through his wings too. I was wondering if during the his first moult he might get more blue through them? I'm not bothered either way just curious.

Also, made me think that maybe one of his parents is an opaline? I know nothing about budgie genetics (or mutations), but i do know about dog genetics, and with dogs they can carry a gene for a certain colour even if they are not that colour themselves, and if mated to another dog with the same genetic colours behind them they can produce that coulor (i.e. two blue roan cocker spaniels can produce a black and white puppy if there is black and white grandparents/great grand parents or even GG grandparents on both sides) . Is budgies the same? As in, if Anakin has opaline behind him and he is paired to a hen with opaline behind her could they produce opaline chicks even though Anakin (and possibly hen) isn't opaline??

Don't worry I have no intention to start breeding, but the gentics and breeding side are very fascinating to me as i've been brought up with my mum breeding dogs (cocker spaniels in case you haven't guessed lol). I apologies in advance for sounding like an idiot lol.

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Hi,

Please excuse me if i come across as stupid here, got a couple of questions but I am totally new so these might be REALLY silly questions/theories...

So Anakin is coming up 11 weeks, if I am correct in thinking he will be due his first moult soon? Can there colours change slightly during the first moult? The reason I am asking is I had him sitting on my chest today and I was looking really closely at his feathers. Now if i'm right, he is a sky blue spangle, but today I noticed he has the tiniest bit of blue through his wings too. I was wondering if during the his first moult he might get more blue through them? I'm not bothered either way just curious.

Also, made me think that maybe one of his parents is an opaline? I know nothing about budgie genetics (or mutations), but i do know about dog genetics, and with dogs they can carry a gene for a certain colour even if they are not that colour themselves, and if mated to another dog with the same genetic colours behind them they can produce that coulor (i.e. two blue roan cocker spaniels can produce a black and white puppy if there is black and white grandparents/great grand parents or even GG grandparents on both sides) . Is budgies the same? As in, if Anakin has opaline behind him and he is paired to a hen with opaline behind her could they produce opaline chicks even though Anakin (and possibly hen) isn't opaline??

Don't worry I have no intention to start breeding, but the gentics and breeding side are very fascinating to me as i've been brought up with my mum breeding dogs (cocker spaniels in case you haven't guessed lol). I apologies in advance for sounding like an idiot lol.

Lisa xx
First off no question is silly, everyone starts somewhere

Yes as he moults you may fimnd his colour deepens and that he gets a suffusion of blue on his wings, being spangle this is quite likely to happen.

Now for the Genetics, he may be split Opaline if the hen was Opaline or if the Cock bird was split Opaline there is a chance he has inherited the Opaline gene from him.
So if he is split Opaline and you paired him to a none Opaline Hen (Opaline is sex linked so hens must show it they can not be split) you would get all Opaline Hens and 50% of the cocks would be split for Opaline as well. Paired to an Opaline Hen I believe you would get all Opaline Hens and 25% Opaline Cocks and 25% split Opaline Cocks.
However if he is not Split Opaline and he is paired to a none opaline hen you will get no Opaline chicks but if paired to an Opaline Hen all the Cocks will be split Opaline but none of the hens will be Opaline.

I think I have that right lol.
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Apologies to the moderators, I wasn't sure where to put this question, thanks for moving it.

ok..... err.... so what do you mean by split?? Does split mean the he carries the gene but does not display the colour? Trying to get my head around it all, i think what you said made sense to me....roughly .

And am i right in saying that he will be due his first moult soon?

Thanks again

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Apologies to the moderators, I wasn't sure where to put this question, thanks for moving it.

ok..... err.... so what do you mean by split?? Does split mean the he carries the gene but does not display the colour? Trying to get my head around it all, i think what you said made sense to me....roughly .

And am i right in saying that he will be due his first moult soon?

Thanks again

Lisa x
Yep if he is split he is carrying the Gene but not showing the traits of it.

He will be due a moult around about now, usually between 12 and 16 weeks however I have had some moult at 7 weeks and others not until 6months lol.
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Thanks for clarifying Amelia.

Sorry another question... what age will his cere go from purple to blue?
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Thanks for clarifying Amelia.

Sorry another question... what age will his cere go from purple to blue?
No problem.
As for the Cere it again depends on the bird, most of mine get theirs by 5 months of age. You may find once he is moulting the Cere will change as well.

On saying that I still have a Hen with her baby Cere and she is coming up to a year now lol.
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Thanks Amelia,

There is so much to learn.
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Thanks Amelia,

There is so much to learn.
Yep, I am still learning something new everyday
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its probably one of those things that you are always learning no matter how long you been breeding, or keeping budgies. We can only do our best by what we knew and aim to better our knowledge as much as possible, and TB is the place to do that!
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