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Since many says that there are no stupid questions I will ask this one: Do all ino's mask something?

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Even if they are just masking normal light green, or normal light blue
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Masking is when a bird is more than one mutation but the masked mutation can't be seen. If the ino has no other mutations except normal it is not masking anything. Inos have a dark factor the same as every other budgie this is not masked but it can be difficult to detect on some birds. Show breeders often breed their lutinos with 2 dark factors because this gives them a richer shade of yellow.
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Masking is when a bird is more than one mutation but the masked mutation can't be seen. If the ino has no other mutations except normal it is not masking anything. Inos have a dark factor the same as every other budgie this is not masked but it can be difficult to detect on some birds. Show breeders often breed their lutinos with 2 dark factors because this gives them a richer shade of yellow.
Would a lutino with a dark factor be more of a deep golden color Rather than the normal light buttercup yellow?

The reason I ask is because my newer Lutino is a whole lot darker than My previous one (including his babies) and darker than any other Lutino I've seen in person

the top of his head is a tad lighter than the rest of his body Every pic I get comes out making him look lighter than he is But I noticed as soon as i got him his yellow was just so much darker than any others I've seen before

He's with an Albino that I've never bred before So I don't know if she's Masking or split to anything, and so far they have 1 baby (he's suspected not to be split to blue but the previous owner only bred him 1 time so he still could be) Would I be able to tell from his babies if he has a dark factor or not?
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Would a lutino with a dark factor be more of a deep golden color Rather than the normal light buttercup yellow?

The reason I ask is because my newer Lutino is a whole lot darker than My previous one (including his babies) and darker than any other Lutino I've seen in person

the top of his head is a tad lighter than the rest of his body Every pic I get comes out making him look lighter than he is But I noticed as soon as i got him his yellow was just so much darker than any others I've seen before

He's with an Albino that I've never bred before So I don't know if she's Masking or split to anything, and so far they have 1 baby (he's suspected not to be split to blue but the previous owner only bred him 1 time so he still could be) Would I be able to tell from his babies if he has a dark factor or not?
If he is a deeper shade it is probably because of the dark factor. I find it easier to tell the dark factor on an albino than a lutino. If you breed an ino cock with a mauve or an olive hen you'll get some female inos with dark factors. Violet might also deepen the shade, it always looks nice on an albino when it's in the sun, but it's frowned upon in show circles
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If he is a deeper shade it is probably because of the dark factor. I find it easier to tell the dark factor on an albino than a lutino. If you breed an ino cock with a mauve or an olive hen you'll get some female inos with dark factors. Violet might also deepen the shade, it always looks nice on an albino when it's in the sun, but it's frowned upon in show circles

Thanks I thought there was something different about him
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Thanks to all of you. How would one know that a bird is masking a mutation rather being split fir it? Or is it basically the same thing?
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Thanks to all of you. How would one know that a bird is masking a mutation rather being split fir it? Or is it basically the same thing?
if a bird carries the gene "Visually" (granted you wouldn't see it but its still considered visually having it) and you put it to another visual you'd get more percentages of that mutation than you would if one was visual and one was split

for an Example You take a Recessive pied Male to a ino female and get all recessive pied babies - your female is Masking Recessive pied

but if your getting half Recessive pied and half non pied then she'd be split to it.
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The only way to truly know what is hidden or split to is to know the color of the parents, offspring, or both. Otherwise all you know is what you can see. Although sometimes there are hints. This is why pedigrees even on non show lines are useful.
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This is why pedigrees even on non show lines are useful.
I agree with you a 100 %, but with colony breeding it is an impossible task to do that. I have only place for 4 indoor breeding cages. So most of my breeding is done by colony breeding especially my petshop birds. The 4 breeding cages are mostly for my show birds.
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