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I'm trying to learn budgie genetics,but I'm still pretty lost.
What gene would cause a yellow budgie to have blue on his back and belly? I thought budgies could only be yellow series or blue,but this baby seems to be both
I'll get some pics,but he appears to be a pied as well because he has some markings on his wings,but not the "normal"amounts

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Sounds like a yellowface type 2 along with a pied mutation (maybe recessive pied I the blue is only on the back and belly). Here's some pics of mine.
https://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=59642

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I think he looks like Bruce. Is he a yellowface?
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Yes. He's a yellowface type 2 recessive pied. He's also opaline and possibly spangled. YF type 2 causes yellow to spread over the parts of the blue series bird that would normally be white (face, body, wings), where type 1 is usually restricted to the head (I think). can't wait to see pics of your bird. Then someone will be able to tell you for sure.
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agreed yellow face type 2 recessive pied

here's mine

Mines Full mutation is Yellow Face type 2 Cobalt Violet Spangle







open wing view (he came to me clipped )

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I'm trying to learn budgie genetics,but I'm still pretty lost.
What gene would cause a yellow budgie to have blue on his back and belly? I thought budgies could only be yellow series or blue,but this baby seems to be both
I'll get some pics,but he appears to be a pied as well because he has some markings on his wings,but not the "normal"amounts
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I think he looks like Bruce. Is he a yellowface?
You're not lost at all. Your budgie is probably a yellow face recessive pied blue.

There are three shades of blue: sky blue (no dark factors), cobalt (one dark factor) and mauve (two dark factors). Which color blue is your bird? https://www.****************/colorsguide.html#darkfactor

There are two types of yellow face: type 1 and type 2. After a Type 2 chick's first molt, the yellow suffuses onto the blue body color to turn it a shade of green. See https://www.****************/colorsguide.html#yellowface. The ideal Type 1 has yellow only on face (and tail coverts?), but some Type 1's have yellow suffusion elsewhere on their bodies, but not enough to turn the blue to green. The bird in the middle of the attached picture is a type 1 yellow face recessive pied cobalt. (And believe it or not, the blue and white bird to the left of him is his dad; he's a double factor type 1 yellow face normal sky blue split to recessive pied. Double factor YF1's are white, not yellow!)

We'd love to see a picture of your bird.
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I can't get a pic to show his yellow. It's a very pale yellow on his flights and tail
This is the best I could get. You can see the yellow on his forehead
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I can't get a pic to show his yellow. It's a very pale yellow on his flights and tail
This is the best I could get. You can see the yellow on his forehead

Yellow face Dominant Pied Grey wing
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The pics of the yellow face you have,he is a spangle because there is color in the wing? Spangle and opaline are super confusing,or I'm that dense
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The pics of the yellow face you have,he is a spangle because there is color in the wing? Spangle and opaline are super confusing,or I'm that dense

no he's spangle because his wing markings are "reversed"

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Spangle causes the markings on the wings and tail to be reversed. On the wings, instead of the normal black feathers with white edges creating the normal striping pattern, the feathers are mostly clear (yellow or white) with a thin black stripe at the edge
https://www.****************/colorsguide.html#spangle
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