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Default Original budgies: green only?

There are clearly a myriad of different colours and mutations of colour in the domesticated budgie. The only colour I've ever seen of wild budgies in Australia is green. Is that the original colour, and all others have mutated from it?

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There are clearly a myriad of different colours and mutations of colour in the domesticated budgie. The only colour I've ever seen of wild budgies in Australia is green. Is that the original colour, and all others have mutated from it?
If I remember correctly, the green is the original colors and then some were taken to Japan to be sold as pets and blues were eventually bred.
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Hmm, I've been meaning to look up the history of the budgie. This could turn into an interesting thread.
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if i remember right ,the odd wild budgie will be born a different colour (like blue for instence) just like you get white tigers ,but because budgies are prey animals ,a blue budgie stands out ,so it would get killed by predators quickly in the wild ,but when these mutations occured in captivity ,we protected the colouring ,the mutation colour then bred more of that colour ,then the blue mutation mutated again ,and again etc, or atleast i think that's how it worked, i think line breeding also played a factor
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^History of when certain colors were bred, and where.
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Yes the original budgie was green with a yellow face. Birds were taken back to England when they were found by explorers of inland Australia as were many types of animals and birds probably in the very early 1800's. The first blue budgies were found in the wild and also taken back to England. You will find some mutations in the wild but they are mainly still the green and yellow bird but often you will find a pied, cinnamon wing, grey wing etc. as they don't stand out so much. You will also find some grey greens and dark greens. Lutino's also occasionally occur in the wild but sometimes the parents will kill them knowing they will stand out and also because the fire engine red eyes scare them in the nest. They would stand out far too much and be a danger to the flock. Lutino comes from the green series of birds where albino comes from the blue series. Because most blues don't survive in the wild they don't get a chance to breed so the chances of albino's in the wild would be an extremely rare thing to happen.
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I've always wondered if Budgies started out Green how did the blue get in there to start with

but I wonder that about a lot of parrots that their Normal mutation is green but they have many other mutation colors now, Like parrotlets, Quakers, Indian Ringnecks and so forth.

I just can't never find anything that really explains how the other mutations came about if the originals were Green to start with
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There are 3 primary colours and all other colours except for black of course that are made from those 3 colours. They are Yellow, Blue and Red. Yellow and Blue mixed together produce green. With budgies the Yellow Gene went dormant and a blue bird developed. With an Ino bird the yellow removes any black and grey markings, it is the green equivalent of an albino where all melanin is removed. So the blue gene went dormant and being an ino the yellow bird with red eyes developed and because of the ino all the black markings disappeared.

This is a simplistic version of a slightly more complicated reason, mainly with the ino factor.
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I've always wondered if Budgies started out Green how did the blue get in there to start with

but I wonder that about a lot of parrots that their Normal mutation is green but they have many other mutation colors now, Like parrotlets, Quakers, Indian Ringnecks and so forth.

I just can't never find anything that really explains how the other mutations came about if the originals were Green to start with
From my understanding, the genes themselves change from breeding (and probably some inbreeding) over long periods of time.

A friend of mine once told me that every person with blue eyes shares a common ancestor. One person was born with blue eyes by genetic accident and it created a whole new section of humans. He had kids, and his kids had kids and so on and blue eyes spread like wildfire.

Figure it works the same way with budgies .
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It's exactly what the name says, a mutation. Mutations are always happening with genes in every generation. Some can be seen and some cannot. Sometimes they are done on purpose by the immune system to try to fight illness better in the next generation, sometimes they are just an error in copying down DNA... There are lots of other reasons. You never know why a mutation happens. If the mutation is helpful it tends to get passed on. If the mutation is not helpful that animal (or even person) has less chance of reproducing and passing on the gene. We select for the mutations so it keeps them alive. Sometimes we even keep alive mutations that cause major health issues or reproduction difficulties just because we like how they look.
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