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summoora 07-12-2011 11:30 AM

Curious irises
 
So I got a beautiful little girl last night. She's opaline, so she's got those gorgeous little markings from her head on down (I promise I'll post a picture later, I just only have a minute right now.), but what was interesting to me is she is violet from the top of her head to the back (that classic opaline v-shape), and then on her body she looks much more cobalt. I can't see any white patches on her body except for right at the edge of her wings, which isn't really that strange anyway, right? Here's the clincher. She has light irises. She obviously is a very bright girl, so she can't be DF spangle.

So here are my questions. Can violet just make splashes of color? Is there any other possibility than her being dominant pied? (That would actually be a bonus, I love pieds)

CaptainHowdy 07-12-2011 11:52 AM

Really need a picture to be honest.

I am not sure what her Iris rings have to do with anything? DF Spangle do get Iris rings which if she is blue she won't be a df spangle anyway.

summoora 07-12-2011 01:44 PM

The picture is for kicks, but this is a hypothetical question. Is there any other mutation besides dominant pied (what I'm suspecting) and DF spangle (which she obviously is not) that would cause iris rings? Because it is a fact that she has iris rings. The third picture shows that. Sorry about the graininess. I'm really too busy to wait for high quality pictures to upload.

To answer your question: The light iris rings have nothing to do with the violet, just about. There were two separate questions. I noticed the light iris rings, which immediately made me think dominant pied, but she is poorly marked if she is a dominant pied. If not for the iris rings, I wouldn't have called her a pied. So I'm wondering if she is definitely pied, that's all. (Her body does look a little splotchy, but none of it is actually white, just light violet. )
https://i578.photobucket.com/albums/s...h/pheonix3.jpg
https://i578.photobucket.com/albums/s...h/pheonix2.jpg
https://i578.photobucket.com/albums/s...h/pheonix1.jpg

CaptainHowdy 07-12-2011 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summoora (Post 851206)
I'll put a picture later for kicks, but this is a hypothetical question. Is there any other mutation besides dominant pied (what I'm suspecting) and DF spangle (which she obviously is not) that would cause iris rings? Because it is a fact that she has iris rings.
(Update on the cobalt: She's looking more violet to me now, so it was probably a lighting thing.)

Err most mutations have iris rings, the ones I can think of off the top of my head that do NOT have iris rings are recessive pieds and dark eyed clears, think there might be a couple more but can't think of them at the moment.

atvchick95 07-12-2011 01:56 PM

Every normal mutation has Iris rings they get lighter with Age By the time the bird is 1 yr old or older they're White

There are only a few that do not get them
Dark eyed clear, Recessive pied,are 2 I can think of off the top of my head.

but She could be a DF Spangle(they do get iris rings) with Suffusion which means the body color would bleed though it doesn't happen a lot but it does happen

The only "True" violet is a Cobalt Blue Violet and the tones of their colors do change (any color not just a Violet) on their bodies and depends on how the light hits

my Tweety(in my avatar) some days looks Extremely dark other days he looks a few shades lighter He is a Cobalt Violet Dominant Pied he also does have iris rings And he's 4 years old.

FaeryBee 07-12-2011 03:12 PM

She is a beautiful little girl!! What is her name?

atvchick95 07-12-2011 03:12 PM

She is a cobalt (could be Cobalt violet) Opaline she is not pied at all. the "clear" areas on the ends of the outer wings is because she's Opaline

summoora 07-12-2011 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FaeryBee (Post 851251)
She is a beautiful little girl!! What is her name?

Phoenix, tentatively :)

:confused2: I don't know why I thought light iris rings were specific to those two mutations. I actually posted a similar comment on someone else's thread that I'm going to delete now. :D

@ATV I think she is, based on what you said. The top of her head is a very clear purple, so it's gotta be in there somewhere.

based on the fact that her irises are a light gray, age estimate at least 8 months or so?

Shahzadi 07-15-2011 12:19 AM

I don't know anything about mutations, but she is adorable. :)

atvchick95 07-15-2011 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by summoora (Post 851279)
Phoenix, tentatively :)

:confused2: I don't know why I thought light iris rings were specific to those two mutations. I actually posted a similar comment on someone else's thread that I'm going to delete now. :D

@ATV I think she is, based on what you said. The top of her head is a very clear purple, so it's gotta be in there somewhere.

based on the fact that her irises are a light gray, age estimate at least 8 months or so?

Yes I'd say just by looking at her eyes she's around 8 months.

But keep in mind if she lives in or ever has lived in an Aviary or an Aviary type setting They can be hard to tell the age of - mine are in an Aviary setting - they live inside but with a lot of other budgies I have had Budgies at 2 months old With white iris rings(like 1*+yr olds have), and females with Dark brown in condition ceres, boys with Bright blue ceres.
Here's an example of of one of mine when she was only about 2 months old with Iris rings of at least a 6 month old
https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29...g?t=1310704296


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