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Exclamation I don't get it

Okay so I have been told time and time and time again a budgie CAN NOT be split to yellow face It just can't happen including with Green Series birds (and this has been said by "experts" not your average bird owner)

Yet I keep reading "your green bird is split to yellow face" and sometimes I am shocked to see its the same experts who told me it was impossible

How can a Bird that already HAS a yellow face Be split to Yellow face And how can it be split to something that has been said time and time again can't happen

That would be like saying a Green bird Can be split to Green or a Blue bird can be split to blue - NO they can't they're ALREADY green or blue So how can they be split to what they already are?

So how can a bird be split to yellow face if The "experts" say that is not possible

and how can a Green Series bird who already has a yellow face be split to yellow face.

this makes absolutely NO sense what so ever.

its no wonder a lot of people can't comprehend mutations and genetics

you got this group over here saying one thing- Like yes birds can be split to yellow face and Green series whom already have yellow faces can be split to yellow face

you got a group over there saying- "no no no a bird can't be split to yellow face and an Already yellow face bird can't be split to yellow face

then you got the group in the middle throwing their hands up in the air saying To heck with it all its not worth learning If no one can get the information correct

and I am about to jump into the middle group - and just throw it all out the door and do what every one else does "Breed pretty colorful birds" and not give a care in the world about the mutations or genetics because at the end of the day being told 50 million different things. its just not worth knowing any more

but I really do only need easy to understand Explanations if your going to go all "mutant this Mutant that on me" don't! That only confuses me more

in other words Lay it out in laymen terms Please!

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I suggest you find an article called "Gene function in Yellowface Budgerigars" by Peter Bergman.

This would have to be one of the most recent work on Yellowfaces to date. It is also, in genetic circles, widely excepted.

A book to hunt down and read would be "Rainbow Budgerigars" by Ken Gray.

There are also a couple of other good genetic books around which have had the correct nomenclature for quite some time. The info has always been there but people prefer to just regurgitate the misinformation of others. After all it is hard work tracking down the right stuff. I know I spent over 15 years doing so.
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I suggest you find an article called "Gene function in Yellowface Budgerigars" by Peter Bergman.

This would have to be one of the most recent work on Yellowfaces to date. It is also, in genetic circles, widely excepted.

A book to hunt down and read would be "Rainbow Budgerigars" by Ken Gray.

There are also a couple of other good genetic books around which have had the correct nomenclature for quite some time. The info has always been there but people prefer to just regurgitate the misinformation of others. After all it is hard work tracking down the right stuff. I know I spent over 15 years doing so.
15 years are a lot…

I am wondering why didn’t you write a book yourself.

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You should go for a thesis. Trust me, you can use your knowledge to get a PhD degree.

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15 years are a lot…

I am wondering why didn’t you write a book yourself.

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You should go for a thesis. Trust me, you can use your knowledge to get a PhD degree.

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Sadly I am just not a good writer, well at least I don't think so. I have considered it for a long time but there is some good stuff out there. It is also a cost and time thing. I can't even seem to find the time and motivation to get my web site up and running again.

One thing to keep in mind is just because is a top judge, exhibitor or such does not necessarily mean they know what they are talking about. There has recently been a DVD released here in Australia by some very well know people in the hobby and I can tell you now that although most is great stuff on it there is also some extremely big errors. These errors should not even be occuring because the information has been around for decades yet the persons who put this stuff to film ignore the scientific evidence.

I so remember the stuff I was told when I first joined the hobby and because I had a rather scientific brain and a bit more common sense I began to see some things just didn't gel. It was at that point I started on seeking out more info which lead me into taking up the rare varieties. I look back and think what silly things I was told. Those same people 30 years later are still saying the same things to other new fanciers.
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Sadly I am just not a good writer, well at least I don't think so. I have considered it for a long time but there is some good stuff out there. It is also a cost and time thing. I can't even seem to find the time and motivation to get my web site up and running again.

One thing to keep in mind is just because is a top judge, exhibitor or such does not necessarily mean they know what they are talking about. There has recently been a DVD released here in Australia by some very well know people in the hobby and I can tell you now that although most is great stuff on it there is also some extremely big errors. These errors should not even be occuring because the information has been around for decades yet the persons who put this stuff to film ignore the scientific evidence.

I so remember the stuff I was told when I first joined the hobby and because I had a rather scientific brain and a bit more common sense I began to see some things just didn't gel. It was at that point I started on seeking out more info which lead me into taking up the rare varieties. I look back and think what silly things I was told. Those same people 30 years later are still saying the same things to other new fanciers.
Well, the knowledge about budgies is very little in our part of the world. But the information rendering trend seems to be the same as elsewhere. People pass on what they listen from others and there is no verification of the info or study of the subject.

I would love to write for you. It will also allow me to learn a lot. Unfortunately we are thousands of miles apart.

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Researching the Yellowfaced Factor

-https://www.budgerigar.co.uk/researching-the-yellowfaced-factor/-

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Maybe this will help...

Researching the Yellowfaced Factor

-https://www.budgerigar.co.uk/researching-the-yellowfaced-factor/-

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Thanks for that link. Will contact Marc and see what the go is.
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I suggest you find an article called "Gene function in Yellowface Budgerigars" by Peter Bergman.

This would have to be one of the most recent work on Yellowfaces to date. It is also, in genetic circles, widely excepted.

A book to hunt down and read would be "Rainbow Budgerigars" by Ken Gray.

There are also a couple of other good genetic books around which have had the correct nomenclature for quite some time. The info has always been there but people prefer to just regurgitate the misinformation of others. After all it is hard work tracking down the right stuff. I know I spent over 15 years doing so.
Thanks I'll look for that article and I'll look up the book about Rainbow budgies, I've been considering buying one with that title or a similar one I'll see if its the same one if it is Then I'll see if i can get it
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Thanks for that link. Will contact Marc and see what the go is.
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