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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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hey all,

got 2 pairs down, but want to concentrate on this one because unfortunatley the other hen has all infertile eggs.

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i'm thinking maybe greens and greys.? they are both first timers so not sure what they are split for.

one more thing to ask i keep my light on at night time down in my birdroom so the hens can see where the nestbox is if they venture out at night and cant see to get back in, is this alright to leave the light on all night ?

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hey all,

got 2 pairs down, but want to concentrate on this one because unfortunatley the other hen has all infertile eggs.

i'm thinking maybe greens and greys.? they are both first timers so not sure what they are split for.

one more thing to ask i keep my light on at night time down in my birdroom so the hens can see where the nestbox is if they venture out at night and cant see to get back in, is this alright to leave the light on all night ?

cheers

kyle
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Hey Meffy!

List of outcomes is very long. Try for yourself here. It is so fun.

https://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0Budg

You can leave the night bulb on but not all the light in the bird room.

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Hey Meffy!

List of outcomes is very long. Try for yourself here. It is so fun.

https://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0Budg

You can leave the night bulb on but not all the light in the bird room.

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ok cheers that gentic caculator is really confusing what does df and sf stand for .?

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I leave a night light on all night when my birds are breeding, its never caused any problems

Sf stands for single factor, Df is for double factor
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If the hen is not split for blue and assuming the grey is single factor, the expected average result would be:
25% normal green
25% grey green
25% dominant pied green
25% dominant pied grey green

If the hen is split for blue the expected result would be:
12.5% normal green
12.5% grey green
12.5% dominant pied green
12.5% dominant pied grey green
12.5% normal blue
12.5% grey
12.5% dominant pied blue
12.5% dominant pied grey

There will be more than one shade in each color.(e.g. sky blue, cobalt etc.)
If the birds are split for other mutations they could effect the result
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hey all,

got 2 pairs down, but want to concentrate on this one because unfortunatley the other hen has all infertile eggs.

hen


cock


i'm thinking maybe greens and greys.? they are both first timers so not sure what they are split for.

one more thing to ask i keep my light on at night time down in my birdroom so the hens can see where the nestbox is if they venture out at night and cant see to get back in, is this alright to leave the light on all night ?

cheers

kyle
I'm going to make some educated guesses even though I'm not a mutations expert.

The hen appears to be a recessive pied green. However, a pic of her belly would help to confirm mutation. In addition, does she have iris rings?
The cock bird appears to be a blue-based grey normal. However, a pic of his back would help to confirm mutation. (I can't tell whether he's opaline.)

Since green is dominant to blue, all chicks will be green unless the hen is split to blue.
Grey color-adding factor is dominant to normal. If cock bird is single factor grey, then 1/2 the chicks will have grey. If cock bird is double factor grey, then all the chicks will have grey. See https://www.****************/gen_grey.html.
Since normal is dominant to recessive pied, all chicks will be normals unless the cock bird is split to recessive pied.

I hope Nev or another mutations expert will come along to confirm or correct my guesses.

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What ever the babies turn out as, I'm sure they are going to be beautiful!! If they turn out with a grey base color and yellow patches then they will look sooo pretty! But IDK if that's even possible
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that gentic caculator is really confusing
To work the genetic calculator you need to know mutations and how they are inherited fairly well.

Once you have learnt mutations and how they are inherited you won't need to use a genetic calculator.

The calculator assumes both birds are normal green with no dark factor until you mark the check boxes.

Grey is a blue series bird so blue must be marked for a grey bird

As we don't know the dark factor of the grey bird or what other mutations are hidden in their genes they can't be filled in.

So we can only mark 2 boxes for the cock (sf grey & blue) and 2 boxes for the hen (single dark factor & dominant (Aus) pied. If we knew that the hen was split for blue we could mark the blue box in the split column for the hen

Here's a screenshot of how the calculator should be filled in for this pair based on the mutations we can see.
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To work the genetic calculator you need to know mutations and how they are inherited fairly well.

Once you have learnt mutations and how they are inherited you won't need to use a genetic calculator.

The calculator assumes both birds are normal green with no dark factor until you mark the check boxes.

Grey is a blue series bird so blue must be marked for a grey bird

As we don't know the dark factor of the grey bird or what other mutations are hidden in their genes they can't be filled in.

So we can only mark 2 boxes for the cock (sf grey & blue) and 2 boxes for the hen (single dark factor & dominant (Aus) pied

Here's a screenshot of how the calculator should be filled in for this pair based on the mutations we can see.
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thankyou all for the comments really helped. chick 1 is due next wednesday so fingers crossed.

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