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Thread Description:...another mystery bird...or is this YF T2 effects?

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Old 10-17-2011, 05:46 PM
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Very lovely bird Jaco.
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Thx, as always a bit of good fortune to have pick him to be retained amongst his many brothers / sisters....

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That is one stunning mutation! Who were the parents and grandparents? Are you going to keep him as a breeding bird or pet?
...his mom "Peppermint" gave me approximately 24 chicks - most of which looked like "twins" of one another!

She was opaline (see below)..that came from her Dad "Rainbow" (grand-dad of the cock-bird), with some violet coming from her mom ('Choc-chip - recessive pied cinnamon grand-mom to cock-bird) ...the violet only got transferred to some of brothers of "Yellow-Wing Spot" (cock-bird) shown herein.

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Dad (Milky Way), I haven't bred...so still a bit uncertain of his genes (except Spangle blue-series that is confirmed from another mom's babies)...

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Interesting combination of colors in your male budgie. Much more variety than in most budgies. Bird also appears confident as some of the stance in photos show. Nice bird.
Yip, bet he is...real dominant to the other cocks, only exception being him subject to grand-dad "Rainbow" (see below) that appear to remain the "alpha-male" (if such thing exists among birds!!) in the flock...the latter is just about fathering every 2nd nest (colony breeding setup)...so unfortunately, I'll have to "release" grand-dad to local petshop one of these days!

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I love the colours on your birds! I'm clearly not the only admirer either, best of luck!
Do you plan on breeding him?
Oh yes! - already have!

..here are two of his chicks!...with mom "Cloudy" (dilute sky-blue greywing)...
these YF Opaline Spangle Blue birds (e.g. "Blue-Rain" below) really are my favourite gene-mix!
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Alas - if only I could breed such colourful birds in the larger "show-type" size...that's my real challenge!

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Very beautiful birds!! Just one question: Can a bird be dilute as well as greywing?
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..very good question Dries!

Despite the greywing, dilute and clearwing being all "related" - best referred to as "multiple allele" genes....they are ALL SEPARATE GENETICALLY...

...but I'm sure Nev, RIP, Barrie, Keane, Susan, BudgieBud...and others here at TB will be able to confirm...WHETHER THEY CAN BE IN COMBINATION...?

I do think they can be "mixed" in a single bird...as the Full body colour Greywing (FBG) demonstrates.... I recall Nev said that FBG is a "mix" between Greywing and Clearwing...

..isn't that so?

(I've got a few such birds...but to date failed to "extract" the "clearwing" gene and "isolate" it...from the 3 hens I have!...sadly I sold their dad, where the "clear-wing" gene came from...but I've noticed others in pet-type...but wish to have such in the "show-/English-" type bird rather..)

Wish I was in the UK..then I'll visit a few "rare variety" breeders for sure! - Wonderful birds these "clear-wings"!

Here's a good link to the "multiple allele" discussion:
https://www.budgie-info.com/alleles.html

Here's the TB post from Nev on this matter:https://www.talkbudgies.com/mutations-genetics/40184-diff-between-full-body-greywing-clearwing.html

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A FBG is a greywing/clearwing - as it was explained to me by Tonic (the writer of the article in https://www.budgie-info.com/alleles.html.
I have read theabove article again and as I understand it it is impossible to have greywing dilute. Dilute is recessive - that means that you need 2 copies of the gene to show it.
This is my best English. Sorry if it doesn't make sense. Hopefully Nev or someelse will explain it better.
Maybe I'm mistaken.
I'm also waiting for the clearwing to show. I have a pair now that can give me clearwings. (GF FBG X YF FBG). According to me I can get clearwing from this pairing.So fingers X. It is pet type birds, but that doesn't matter to me.
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A FBG is a greywing/clearwing - as it was explained to me by Tonic (the writer of the article in https://www.budgie-info.com/alleles.html.
I have read theabove article again and as I understand it it is impossible to have greywing dilute. Dilute is recessive - that means that you need 2 copies of the gene to show it.
This is my best English. Sorry if it doesn't make sense. Hopefully Nev or someelse will explain it better.
Maybe I'm mistaken.
I'm also waiting for the clearwing to show. I have a pair now that can give me clearwings. (GF FBG X YF FBG). According to me I can get clearwing from this pairing.So fingers X. It is pet type birds, but that doesn't matter to me.
I'm also having fingers crossed for you..really hope you can surprise us soon with a clearwing baby...


..so all the best of luck...have you come across any show-breeders having clearwings by chance...on your travels across South - Africa?

All of the best there!
Jacodk

PS -Let's wait for Nev to confirm which (if any) of the Dil-gene mixes are possible?...

..my take is the Greywing x Dilute is indeed possible, but with the Dilute being recessive to Greywing -it may just be masked visually...but the off-spring (when paired to another known Dilute or bird split for it)...will give baby Dilutes in turn....same goes with mixes with Clearwing...this being the "most-recessive" of this (3) multiple-allele gene type....
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