Originally Posted by nev90
Spangles often have markings as light as these chicks.
Thx for the reply...I'm glad these light-wing-marked spangle birds aren't unusual...to the experts that is....maybe I'm just having trouble understanding /identifying what I expect to be visually apparent in the mixed "dil" genetic birds....
...thinking (possibly incorrectly so) that either gradual changes will occur between these genes (e.g. the one affecting the other when in combination, like “washing out of the spangle wing-markings” to become almost clear; even in such spangle “grand-children”) or else that (more of a hope maybe) the recessive "dil-cw"(clearwing-white wing, being part of the fbc greywing hen, in this case) will be showing through at some stage....
...especially given "Cotton-Blue" (see original post pic above), the first of such3 x FBC Greywing hens to which the cock (Milky Way) was paired up with?!
Originally Posted by nev90
Are you sure the dad is a greywing spangle?
In answer to Nev90 enquiry, more about "MilkyWay", the (dad) cock birds' background:
With reference to the "Gradual colour changing cock-bird", called "Yellow-wing Spot" (see post: https://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=79256
This "Yellow-wing Spot" cock bird, the son of Milky Way (of whom I'm very certain on offspring), recently gave me "greywing" hens...when paired up with "Cloudy" (YF "Sky- or Cobalt Blue" Dilute Opaline Greywing):
Here is the latter pairing again:-
...and two of their babies:
Dusk & Blue-Rain
As result I'm close to having 100% certainty that Milky Way was the Greywing carrier ....as the mother (refer next picture of "Peppermint"), albeit knowing she has "Opaline" (from which "Yellow-wing Spot", boy baby got the Opaline gene and in turn passed it on to the grand-baby hens)..she did not show any greywing genetics (neither did any of her sisters/dad, etc either) ...
Here she is:
So as I understand the only way the most recent hen babies from "Yellow wing-spot" could have been greywings (at least “Dusk” is dil-gw) was that he himself as well as dad Milky Way carried such gene.
"Yellow-Wing Spot" (the ‘color changing bird’) could however have inherited some "pied" from either parents...giving rise to such “striped/spotted” yellow (YF influence) body colour patterns….
...origin from "Peppermint", his mom, that was (probably split)/ Recessive pied.... BUT COULD BOTH HE AND MOM HAVE BEEN SPLIT FOR PIED?...if only Peppermint (his mom) & Choc-Chip (grand-mom) carried it?...thus being hidden (dormant waiting to appear, if mated into correct pairing?)
If these changing body colour were a result of some “remnant pied" it ought to have come from BOTH PARENTS, being recessive,… correct?..
..if so, MilkyWay must also carry pied (refer "green chest spot") in split form (or masking it, with its odd almost "all yellow body colour")...
..no wonder the above hen- grand-children babies (Dusk & Blue-Rain) then shows both "greywing" and "opaline" (as well as YF from dad, MilkyWay, of course)...
..BUT IT STILL MAKES ME WONDER WHEN AND IF DAD'S (Milky Way) GREYWING GENE WILL APPEAR from this post's original pairing with the "FBC Greywing" hen (Cotton-Blue) and. WHY... thus far only spangles appeared (from 2 nests, i.e. 9 babies)?
Maybe this history gives more insight...DOES THIS MEAN that for recessive genes (such as dil-cw and dil-gw) there's a lower statistical chance of getting such babies VISUALLY (in presence of a "more dominant and probably highly in-bred" gene, such as spangle)... even if both parents carries such dil-gw recessive gene, as I suggested to exist in this post's parents?
Any comments or corrections on the above pse do so...
PS-to determine Milky-Way chance of being split Cinnamon as well...
I'll try keeping some "cinnamon-looking" chicks to determine sex and see if any turns out to be hens?....
..this could then make him a "Yellow-faced Violet Cobalt Blue Spangle Recessive Pied /Greywing / Cinnamon" bird...maybe "dilute" is also in "his mix"...thus his name was a good selection after-all...!!