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KeetsForever 11-10-2011 03:34 PM

My 'Keets and Their Genetics...
 
What are some nice combinations I could get from my pair? And could you identify their markings that I can't?:budge:

Cock:
Normal Blue Series (Sky Blue) Some Recessive Pied? Recessive Pied have purple ceres, correct?

Hen:
Sky Blue Greywing? She has a golden beak and pink feet like the Ino's (albino's and lutino's) What's up with that? The hen has this light yellow in her crown. The male has it too but you can scarcely tell with him.
Halfway up her wings and below it is plain white. What is that called?

Here's the link to the pictures I have of them.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/keetsforever

AnimalLuver 11-10-2011 03:40 PM

Could you post some more pics https://www.flickr.com/photos/keetsforever

AnimalLuver 11-10-2011 03:41 PM

https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6112/...dea8ba00_m.jpg Is this the pic?

KeetsForever 11-10-2011 04:03 PM

Yes, that is the right one.:)
I will try to get some more pictures soon. Max: An hour. They might be fussy. LOL

atvchick95 11-10-2011 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeetsForever (Post 921023)
What are some nice combinations I could get from my pair? And could you identify their markings that I can't?:budge:

Cock:
Normal Blue Series masking Recessive Pied.

Hen:
Dilution Blue Series masking White Ino (Albino) She might be masking something else, too. The hen has this light yellow in her crown. The male has it too but you can scarcely tell with him.
Halfway up her wings and below it is plain white. What is that called? Is that the Albino showing up in her?

Here's the link to the pictures I have of them. I promise I will provide more. Especially of the Hen's wings and face. And the cock's cere (where the purple comes in from recessive pied) and his wings.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/keetsforever
(you'll have to copy and patse because the link doesn't show up in the post...argh)

want to clear some stuff up - your male is not masking recessive pied - he would be split to it (it is 2 different things only mutations that can mask a mutation is Inos)

your female can't mask or be split to ino - it is sex linked no female can be split to a sex linked mutation either they are that mutation or they are not - And again She can't be masking anything she's not a Ino mutation

your male is a Cobalt Opaline

your female is a Sky blue Grey wing - i Can't tell if she's actually dilute or not

So the white area you think has to do with her masking Albino wouldn't be correct since she is not masking it or split to it since she's not an Albino she does not carry the gene what so ever

She doesn't look opaline so any Opaline babies you get will automatically be female - It's sex linked So since only the male has it Any Visuals will be Female - Males will be split to it (you won't see it on them at all.

only way to get Male and Female Opaline is if both parents carry it - again Females can't be split to it so a female is either Opaline or she's not

i am not sure where you got the whole Masking thing from but that information you got was 100% wrong.

Ino mutations Can mask other mutations like all the pieds, even cinnamon, grey wing, Opaline etc. BUT it is completely different than being split - When they mask it they have it visually you just can't see it because they are ino , If a bird is Split to a mutation You do not see it at all - there are no signs that show a budgie is split to any mutation - some say there are but I've yet to find any of it to be true.
I forgot to mention Double Factor Spangles can also Mask Mutations.

KeetsForever 11-10-2011 05:41 PM

I have more pictures of Benny(male) up. The camera couldn't quite catch the purplish streaks in his blue cere. I will try to find another bird (from online) that has a similar cere. I will get AngelCake's photos up in a minute...

And sorry about some of the genetic terms I used. I am not yet familar with all of them. Thank you for your corrections atvchick95!

atvchick95 11-10-2011 05:47 PM

Also May I suggest next time they need a wing clip take them to a professional and let them show you how its done. That clip job is terrible - sorry to be blunt - but they can get hurt with a wing clipping like that, They will not be able to glide to land properly they'll land like a box of rocks.

Wing clippings really should be left to the people who know how to properly do it because one wrong move and the bird no longer can fly at all! I know because I have some (I did not do it myself they came to me this way) one is an African Congo Grey who is fully flighted but can't fly to save his life he does nothing but crash and hurts himself every time thankfully its just Scrapes and scratches another the person purposely cut off the cockatiels wing bone and he will never be able to fly and he has tried and almost broke his keel bone because of it

KeetsForever 11-10-2011 06:27 PM

Yeah, my dad does a better job than me. I tried not to get them that close but we kinda needed them short because they needed some taming and birds do better if they can't fly away. Those pictures were maybe a week after we got them. We don't trim them that short now. In fact, they need a little trimming. I think we'll wait until their babies are gone, though. And I will let my father do it!:)

About the girl and the Ino, I understand that now. I thought she had it somehow because Ino's have the golden beaks and pink feet like she does...Is the just something she has or how would you explain that?
The Cobalt is coming from the dark factor, right? The lighting wasn't that great he is Sky Blue.
Any other things you guys notice?

UPDATE: I had to auto-fix the photos of the hen because they were so dark but now they are realistic to what she is. I have every single photo up now of the pair. Thanks for your patience!

nev90 11-10-2011 06:49 PM

Your male is an opaline sky blue and your female is a greywing dominant pied sky blue. I can't see any yellow in the pictures. They could be split for other mutations but you can't tell until they have produced some chicks

The expected result from this pair would be:
25% opaline sky blue females
25% opaline dominant pied sky blue females
25% sky blue males
25% dominant pied sky blue males
There won't be any greywing unless the cock bird is split for greywing or dilute

atvchick95 11-10-2011 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nev90 (Post 921119)
Your male is an opaline sky blue and your female is a greywing dominant pied sky blue. I can't see any yellow in the pictures. They could be split for other mutations but you can't tell until they have produced some chicks

The expected result from this pair would be:
25% opaline sky blue females
25% opaline dominant pied sky blue females
25% sky blue males
25% dominant pied sky blue males
There won't be any greywing unless the cock bird is split for greywing or dilute

The female has no clear band - isn't she a clear flight pied and not a dominant pied?

I posted earlier about a recent baby of mine that just going by the parents and wings I kept calling it a dominant pied - Then yesterday It dawned on me she has no clear patch at all her chest is all one color so now I'm thinking she's a clear flight pied instead. Because the entire front area is all one color no breakage at all.


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