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I'm looking for pictures of CFP Spangles. Some of my spangles have a pied marking on their heads and now I'm wondering if they are also CFP's.

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The pied marking on the head is why they are dominant pieds
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It is not only dom pieds that has that pied mark: clearflights and RP also have that mark.
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I remember seeing a budgie that had that "Thumbnail" patch at the back of the head...that budgie was an Opaline Spangle.

I was told that this thumbnail is visible on some Spangles, even if they're not any kind of Pied.

I'll look for that thread and post a link.

But as far as I remember, that patch on the head had the body colour with no stripes...whereas in Pied patches, the patches show the base colour (White or Yellow).

Edit: Found it, and the first reply to that thread was yours!
https://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=87570
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I remember seeing a budgie that had that "Thumbnail" patch at the back of the head...that budgie was an Opaline Spangle.

I was told that this thumbnail is visible on some Spangles, even if they're not any kind of Pied.

I'll look for that thread and post a link.

But as far as I remember, that patch on the head had the body colour with no stripes...whereas in Pied patches, the patches show the base colour (White or Yellow).

Edit: Found it, and the first reply to that thread was yours!
https://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=87570
Thanks for all the trouble! You have a good memory.
I look at the thread again and I understand now the difference in the "thumbnail patch" of a pied and an opaline Spangle.
But it still doesn't solve my problem: I have spangle where the print is the colour of the body and they are all Opalinesj making me think that Opaline Spangles have that thumbprint. (Hope someone can tell me if that is true or not.)
But I also have at least 2 spangles in my aviary with the thumbnail patch that is the base colour of the bird: yellow in my green spangle and white in a Mauve Spangle. I want to know if that patch indicates that the bird is also a CFP (it cn be, because both were bred in a colony system, or does it indicate the RP gene -some birds that are split for RP has that patch as well.
I'm still waiting for someone to post a pic of a CFP Spangle! PLEASE!!
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To answer my own question: the thumbnail isn't always present in an Opaline Spangle. I have Opaline Spangles without that print.
Here is a pic of one of my "normal" spangle with that print. (The quality of the pic is very bad, sorry).
Clearflight pied Spangles-img-20120902-00396.jpg
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Here are some dominant pied spangles in green and blue, they will have a noticable pied spot on the back of their head regardless of the pied type





This is different than the lighter barring that spangles have on their head which is sometimes mixed with some body color(even when they are not opaline), and is not the same as the even lighter barring and more color that opalines and opaline spangles have on the back of their head.

There is also the possibility of them being split for recessive pied which can sometimes have a simalar but usually smaller pied spot with no other markings on the body. The only way to know if the bird is a poorly marked pied or split for recessive in these cases is by breeding

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Here are some opaline spangles, they do not have a pied patch unless they have some type of pied in visual or split form They do often have even lighter barring from the 2 mutations though which might confuse some making them think they are pied.

Violet green opaline spangle-





Df violet opaline cinnamon spangle-


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Thank you, Lindsey! You always come to rescue.but you don't jave CfP Spangles?
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Thank you, Lindsey! You always come to rescue.but you don't jave CfP Spangles?
No problem

I don't breed clearflights myself only dominants and recessives, but they will look almost exactly the same as dominants except for the chest markings which is why I posted those The standard calls for clearflights to have only clear flight feathers, but rarely do they have this most have the pied markings on the wing itself too.
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