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The hen resulted from my pair ( male creamino- goldenface, female yf1 skyblue spangle) has started to show some unusual markings on her wings.

She is a creamino, but yf1, not goldenface like father. I haven't seen her since i have given her to her current home and they told me that she started to devellop pale grey/cinnamon markings on her wings.

Those are best pics i received - i know that they are very poop quality , but i'm unsure if it's just dirt on her wings, or something else.

What do you think?
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If you bred a male creamino- goldenface to a female yf1 skyblue spangle you should have gotten...

100% albino female chicks they can mask spangle or normal females would also be creamos
100% yellow face
50% normals
50% spangles
100% blues

This chick reminds me of a lacewing. Lacewings have red eyes, are either all white or yellow sometimes with suffusion and have cinnamon markings. I think you may have a lightly marked lacewing. She does have spangle wing markings on the tips of her wings but she doesn't appear to have much on the shoulders of her wings. This makes me think she may also be some sort of pied maybe recessive pied.

If my assumption is right this means your male is split for either lacewing or cinnamon. If your chick is also recessive pied then both parents are split for recessive pied. I hope that helps. But lets see what other people say.
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If you bred a male creamino- goldenface to a female yf1 skyblue spangle you should have gotten...

100% albino female chicks they can mask spangle or normal females would also be creamos
100% yellow face
50% normals
50% spangles
100% blues

This chick reminds me of a lacewing. Lacewings have red eyes, are either all white or yellow sometimes with suffusion and have cinnamon markings. I think you may have a lightly marked lacewing. She does have spangle wing markings on the tips of her wings but she doesn't appear to have much on the shoulders of her wings. This makes me think she may also be some sort of pied maybe recessive pied.

If my assumption is right this means your male is split for either lacewing or cinnamon. If your chick is also recessive pied then both parents are split for recessive pied. I hope that helps. But lets see what other people say.

Can't be lacewing.

It will only be true if the mother hen would be ino or cinn, and she isn't. Except the case when faher would be split lacewing and she might be cinnamon, and because she is also spangle, i hadn't noticed. Here are pics with mom.

But,

- baby hen has white cheekes
- mother is spangle and, as far as i know, if it is spangle, she cannot show lacewings markings. So no lacewing spangle is possible, only opaline , right?

I have no idea why looks like that. I still want yout oppinions.
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Doesn't look like a lacewing to me, tail is the wrong colour and there are no cinnamon spots visible, the cheek patches also look to be the wrong colour.

Could she not just be a marked Ino, some Inos do show markings.
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It could be a lacewing if the male is split for lacewing, or both cinnamon and albino. The female doesn't have to be either mutation and females can't carry either of them. A combination of spangle and lacewing and or cinnamon can cause the cheek patches and tail to be white or silver. Lacewing and spangle can mesh and be shown together. I would ask Nev to see what he thinks. I would be interested to know.
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You have a yellow face lacewing spangle. The father must be split for cinnamon and the genes have combined to produce the lacewing. Her cheek patches are white because of the spangle mutation
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Wow, thank you!!

I didn't knew it is possible a lacewing spangle. I'm very happy because i love lacewings.

I searched a photo with another lacewing spangle, but i didn't found. Can any of you have one? I will be very glad to see pics

So, that will explain why i thought that one of her dead brother eyes looked plum ( she was the only baby alive from the clutch, all other 6 eggs were DIS. I opened them to see what they were and i noticed 5 males - black eyes and 1 plum eyed, but i wasn't sure)

Here is what i thought a plum eyed looked like:
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You have a yellow face lacewing spangle. The father must be split for cinnamon and the genes have combined to produce the lacewing. Her cheek patches are white because of the spangle mutation
Good to know. Thats what I was thinking.
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Very interesting. I noticed the same wing tip markings on my creamino last week. Ithought the flight featers had black tips. I took some pics to post and ask but the markings didnt show in the pics I had so I was going to try and take some today and try to post and ask the same question, is my creamino spangle?
Thats awesome you ended up having a lacewing. I will try and get my pics and start a new post. I dont think mine is lacewing but I do think there is spangle in there.

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