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Old 09-26-2012, 03:38 AM
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Question SF Grey budgies & DF Grey budgies ???

When I read cutelilbirdies's topic "Mutation and Colour Guide", and found strange things as SF Grey budgies and DF Grey budgies.

I were puzzled about SF Grey budgies and DF Grey budgies as I really never heard about SF Grey budgies and DF Grey budgies.

I emailed her and asked her "How I tell a DF Grey budgie from a SF Grey budgie ???"

But no reply from her, also she had never replied to me when I emailed her few times.

Seems she had made a mistake of wrote about SF Grey budgies and DF Grey budgies. Also she wrongly labelled the Chris Raleigh's photo of male SF yellow-faced I skyblue normal as a SF yellow-faced II skyblue normal and her female opaline cobait budgie as a DF violet cobait budgie, her body too blue and not dark. She wrongly labelled Amelia's and Nev90's yellow-faced II budgies as Goldenfaces as their faces were not golden or orangish yellow.

I had never had met Goldenfaced budgies all my life and I never had speciemens all my life. Goldenfaces are properly just other name for yellow-faced II.

None of my budgies had orangish-yellow and golden faces as all of my budgies had both creamy faces and canary yellow faces.

If Goldenface budgies were to exist, they could had orangish-yellow faces or golden faces, so they could be very easy to spot against green and yellow-faced II budgies, by orange colour in face.

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Old 09-26-2012, 10:09 PM
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Hello Clinton

I apologize if something did not come through on my end, but I have no emails from you asking any questions? When did you send them, and to what email address?

To your question though, there is nothing inaccurate with the statement that grey budgies come in both SF and DF It is the same as violet which adds to the existing body color and comes in a single factor and double factor forms. There is however no way to tell the difference between these 2 visually with grey as there is most times with violet, the only way to for sure is by the breeding outcome as I have written on my site about this subject if you look at the notes about grey right under the description.
A sf grey will generally speaking have 50% sf grey chicks and 50% normal chicks, where as a DF grey will have 100% sf grey chicks. Breeding is the only way to know for sure if you have no idea what the birds background is

There are however 3 seperate yellow face mutations, all of which look different and spread differently on the body and have 6 different appearances depending in if they are sf or DF Look up any knowledgable and reliable resource on the yellowface mutations and you will find this to be the case including The World Budgerager Organization, they are not just different names but in fact seperate mutations

The birds that I have on my are labeled correctly, a sf yellow face I would not have the seafoam body color that Chris bird does, but rather a normal sky blue body with a light yellow face and little yellow spreading on some birds.
Nev and Amelia's goldenfaces are pictures of their own birds respectively, which they generously allowed me to use and know the backgrounds and genetics of personally. They are indeed sf and DF goldenfaces, but you may choose to believe what you wish

I believe you have brought up the subject of violet in pictures become if I remember correctly, and I will say the same thing as I and a number of other members mentioned before Violet does not show well in pictures, it is something that can only really be seen and appreciated with the naked eye in person. Any picture that you see with a bright violet has had the color altered after the picture was taken to try and help show the real color in person, but it is not what an unedited picture would look like as the ones on my site are She is in fact a DF violet though, in person she is a deep vibrent purple and has proven so in the outcome of her chicks

I hope this answered your questions, please let me know if not

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Thankyou for apologise. I forgive you.

I sent you emails via your private email.

How can I tell Goldenface budgies from SF YF II budgies ???

I do not really know how to tell Goldenface from YF II budgies.

Do Goldenface really have orange faces ???
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Golden face birds have golden faces, not orange. A young bird will have a yellow face that molts out much deeper golden yellow as it gets older.

As I'm sure anyone else here on the forum can tell you, Lindsey is one of most valued and well respected members, not to mention most knowledgeable. She has a lot of responsibility on the site as a moderator and she runs a business and has a life. She's very busy, and can't always answer questions immediately. Please try to be patient when asking our resident experts for help with your flock. Everyone seeks their help. And they graciously help us on top of all of their other duties and responsibilities.
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Thanks,
Beside golden faces, I cannot see much details in tell the Goldenface budgies in juvenile plumages from YF II budgies in juvenile plumage.

No good go to petshop to buy Goldenface budgies, only to end up buying YF II budgies, if not researching the details as colours, of cheek patches, faces, bodies, feet, beaks, and names of colour...etc canary yellow, orangish yellow, olive, bluish green. Even budgie breeders cannot tell which are Goldenface budgies and YF II budgies.

Beside golden faces, how can I tell Goldenface budgies from YF II budgies, by body, cheek patch, other parts of body ???

If Goldenface budgies were to exist, they could add colours to violet, grey forms, say a DF Goldenface violet-cobait budgie is very colourful, with golden face and dark purple body.

Had you researched/studying these Goldenface budgies ???
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YF 2 spreads through the whole body. GF usually stays on the face (but can spread down the chest just a bit). This is my almost 6 month old golden face golden face who has yet to molt
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Hi Theasset,
Thanks, but I found out there is both SF GF budgies and DF GF budgies.


Left SF GF and right DF GF
Is this correct ???

Do DF GF and SF GF have colours of underwings same as for SF YF II ??? DF YF II ??? SF YF I ???

I am still researching Goldenface budgies.

Single factor SF
Double factor DF
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I have no idea. Mine is a sf GF.
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I noticed your sf GF budgie seems to had faint green colour below golden mask.

We have to wait for members who had knowlegle about GF budgies in SF & DF, to answer this topic.


Is this a SF GF budgie ???

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You can see pictures and descriptions of the differences between SF and DF goldenface on my website

I am working on the most commony confused mutations and what makes them different, including the cheek patches, body color, wing an tail feathers, feet and leg color etc. The differences between the 3 common yellow faces will be included, I can sent you the link to the article once I am finished with it if you wish
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