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Old 11-27-2012, 12:26 PM
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Default What mutation is Donut?

I think her mutation is Yellowface Type 1 Violet Clearwing (what do you think?)

Could she be goldenface or spangle opaline?

Just curious how old do you think she is? I think she is about 6-8 months old.







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I think she is a DF yellowface II or goldenface (hard to tell as the yellow looks different in different pics) sky violet full body greywing spangle
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I think she is a DF yellowface II or goldenface (hard to tell as the yellow looks different in different pics) sky violet full body greywing spangle
The fifth photo seems to be most representing of her yellow color, only that hers is darker.

Just curious,

what is the difference between yellowface type 1 and 2. Their mutation seems to be so similar.

another question is, why greywing mutation? I understand that greywing and clearwing can make something like a composite breed but for most greywing, you still need grey on the wings?

last question is for the spangle, I thought she was a spangle too. However I saw that she does not have the black edges on the wing, so I thought spangle opaline? Eventually, I settled for clearwing. Was wondering how you arrived at your conclusion, would be cool to learn how you evaluate a budgie mutation

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Old 11-27-2012, 08:33 PM
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Wow, Donut is beautiful and a very adorable hen. I believe she is a goldenface violet clearwing hen. The reason is her wings look almost white with little hint of grey. For a fullbody greywing, the wings should have a faint grey colour but Donut doesn't seem to have any grey in her wings. Does her tail feathers have any greyish colour ?

I rule out spangle because the cheek patches would have been purely white in colour. Moreover, I couldn't see any spangle markings on her wings.
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Oh, she looks just like my newest baby bird!
I agree with what Lindsey says
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I think she is a DF yellowface II or goldenface (hard to tell as the yellow looks different in different pics) sky violet full body greywing spangle
Impossible to get this mutation in one budgie. This means that there are 3 genes in the making. Fullbody greywing has 1 clearwing gene and 1 greywing gene, and counting a spangle gene, means 3 genes in 1 budgie. How did you deduce this kind of mutation ?
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The fifth photo seems to be most representing of her yellow color, only that hers is darker.

Just curious,

what is the difference between yellowface type 1 and 2. Their mutation seems to be so similar.

another question is, why greywing mutation? I understand that greywing and clearwing can make something like a composite breed but for most greywing, you still need grey on the wings?

last question is for the spangle, I thought she was a spangle too. However I saw that she does not have the black edges on the wing, so I thought spangle opaline? Eventually, I settled for clearwing. Was wondering how you arrived at your conclusion, would be cool to learn how you evaluate a budgie mutation

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Ok, I apologize because this is going to be a bit long lol!

She is more than likely a DF goldenface then if it is a really deep golden yellow

The difference between the yellowface mutations is the color and how it spreads on the body. Single factor and double factors of all 3 common yellowface mutations DO LOOK DiFFERENT, but most mutation guides and thus many people, do not realize this causing a whole other level of confusion.

Sf yellowface I has a light lemon yellow, with little spreading on the body
Df yellowface I has a completely white face, but is a yellowface and will produce all yellowface chicks.
Sf yellowface II has a deeper buttercup yellow face, and the yellow spreads all over the body making them greenish.
Df yellowface II has the same buttercup yellow face, but the yellow spreads very little leaving a mostly blue body much like sf yellowface I but deeper in yellow color.

If you visit these links you can see photos with the differences and more information:https://cutelittlebirdiesaviary.weebl...eIsinglefactor

I am working on a "commonly confused mutations" page for yellowface, I can send you the link once it is finished if you would like

Dilute, greywing and clearwing all come in a wide variety of shades depending on where they were bred and if the breeder was trying to breed them to the standard or not. From many generations of birds being poorly bred, these 3 mutations can have nearly the exact same wing color, so you need to rely on much more than just the wing color when trying to figure out what the bird actually is.

The reason I do not think she is a clearwing is because her cheek patches are diluted, and clearwings have bright undiluted violet cheek patches. Greywings have light violet cheek patches, and full body greywings are a bit in between usually. Look here to see what I mean:https://cutelittlebirdiesaviary.weebl...or-dilute.html
Her body color is not 50% diluted, so given her body color, wing color and cheek patches I believe she is a full body greywing
https://cutelittlebirdiesaviary.weebl...g-budgies.html

She is defiantly also a spangle. You can again look at her cheek patches which are a mix of silver and light violet, and this is classic spangle spangles can have a mix of the 2 colors, as well as all violet or all white cheek patches depending on what feathers are effected. You can also look at her tail which would not be white if she were not a spangle but rather blue/grey:
https://cutelittlebirdiesaviary.weebl...e-budgies.html
https://cutelittlebirdiesaviary.weebl...g-budgies.html
Spangle mutation which is actually a pied mutation, thus the white cheeks, white tail and flights and white in the center of most wing and head feathers.
The reason that you can not see the dark black inner edge on her wings is because the greywing has turned them very light, you can see them if you look closely though

She is not opaline however, if she was she would have body color mixed in with Her head and wing markings which she does not have https://cutelittlebirdiesaviary.weebl...e-budgies.html

Let me know of that answered your questions


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Impossible to get this mutation in one budgie. *This means that there are 3 genes in the making. Fullbody greywing has 1 clearwing gene and 1 greywing gene, and counting a spangle gene, means 3 genes in 1 budgie. *How did you deduce this kind of mutation ?
I assure you it is very possible, you may believe what you wish though

Genetically you could easily have a olive green, violet, grey, yellowface I, yellowface II, goldenface, *fullbody greywing cinnamon, spangle, opaline, dominant pied, recessive pied and a number of other mutations all on one bird. As long as the genes operate independently of each other the limit is only what the parents can pass on. You could have practically limitless mutations so long as you pair your birds correctly. The only limitations would be for example dilute and greywing or clearwing, Texas clearbody and ino, ino masking cinnamon etc.

You can see my reply above to fergus for a more detailed explanation as to why I said the mutation I did

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The fifth photo seems to be most representing of her yellow color, only that hers is darker.

Just curious,

what is the difference between yellowface type 1 and 2. Their mutation seems to be so similar.
Here is the article I mentioned before, I hope it helps make it a little easier to understand

https://cutelittlebirdiesaviary.weebl...oldenface.html
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I don't know what mutation she is, but I just wanted to say she's very pretty! I love her coloring!
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