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Hi. I have a 4.5yr old male budgie. He has lived on small amounts of fruits & veg, and primarily seed (millet, soybeans, oats, corn). I want to switch him onto a pellet diet now that his lover just passed from a cholesterol tumor. I pray he doesn't have one and can be saved.

Will it be difficult to transition him onto pellets? Any tips or suggestions? Should I mix half seed, half pellets to start? Grind the pellets up? Go full switch? How much fruit and veg daily? Should he remove seed from his diet entirely? Particular ingredients to look for?

He's very adventurous food-wise, contrary to my deceased budgie.

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http://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutrition/76370-how-convert-your-bird-different-diet.html

I have been unsuccessful in switching my girl to pellets....if I mix them with the seeds she throws the pellets out.....if I give her just pellets she doesn't eat so I DO NOT withhold any of her seed or veggies from her! I'm told a good quality seed diet is fine as long as she's getting veggies (fruits OK occasionally) and I give her egg occasionally mixed with cooked brown rice (which she picks out) and veggies.

Also someone did recommend grinding up the pellets into smaller pieces or wetting them a bit to make them easier to eat (you would have to throw out if not eating within a reasonable amount of time).....none of these suggestions worked for me!
 

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Hi again, you will find valuable info by checking the stickies in this section of the forums.

Be sure to check the following links in order to be better informed and to proceed the right way with your budgie. It's not advisable to switch diets abruptly as chances are high your budgie will not recognize the pellets as food and this will lead to starvation/death when no other food source is available.

http://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutrition/309841-quality-seed-mix.html

http://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutrition/256489-sprouting-seeds-your-budgies.html

http://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutrition/76370-how-convert-your-bird-different-diet.html

http://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet-nutrition/315033-healthy-diet-your-budgie.html
 

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The link Tammy posted will give you some great info. It's never too late to
get our bird's on a healthier diet, we just need to take it slow...:)
 

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Hi and :welcome: to Talk Budgies!

I just posted all of the information shown in magenta below into your other thread in Diseases and Illnesses but here it is again:

Please take the time to read the tips on how to introduce new foods to your budgie which can be easily found in the stickies in the Diet and Nutrition section of the forum.

When I introduced pellets to my budgie, my Avian Vet recommended using Harrison's High Potency Mash and sprinkling it on the budgie's seed mix every day. This way, when the budgie hulls the seed it tastes the pellet mash and ingests bits of it as well. This helps the budgie identify the taste as a food source.

Many members seem to find the easiest pellets to use for introducing pellets to their budgies to be the CANARY sized Zupreem fruity pellets. Most budgies like the taste and the "Canary" sized pellets are tiny enough for them to easily eat them. Once they've become accustomed to the Fruity Pellets, introducing the smallest "natural" pellets is then an easy step.

Other than when I was using the Harrison's mash, I've never mixed my birds' pellets and seed together. My birds have three separate dishes each with a different brand/flavor of pellets available to them 24/7. Their seed is rationed to approximately 2 teaspoons of seed per budgie each day. I give them seed first thing in the morning right after putting clean newspapers on the bottom grate of the cages. I sprinkle their morning ration on the paper so they can forage for the seeds. I then do the same thing in the evenings (after replacing the soiled newspaper with clean) and again allow them to forage for their seed.

All of my birds have the option to eat the available pellets whenever they like throughout the day and they all enjoy them!

Zupreen Fruity Pellets (most budgies seem to accept these quickly)
Use the smallest size - the ones labeled "canary".

Zupreem Natural
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Zupreem Avian Entrees Harvest Blend

Good seed brands are:
Dr. Harvey's
Volkmans

To enhance your budgies diet, you can begin introducing vegetables and fruit to them.

It can take several weeks for budgies to decide to try a new food.
Fruit is high in sugar content so vegetables are actually healthier for your budgies with fruits given only occasionally.

Look at the stickies in the Diet and Nutrition section of the forum for lots of good tips on how to introduce new foods to your budgies.
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The first vegetable my guys tried (and loved) was sweet corn kernels sprinkled with a teeny bit of garlic powder (NOT salt).
Budgies seem to love "spicy" tastes.
My guys adore fresh basil, cilantro and chickweed.
They also like zucchini and red pepper.

Our Budgies Diet - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

Egg Food- Our Aviary Recipe Step By Step - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

http://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutrition/256489-sprouting-seeds-your-budgies.html

Using ACV in your budgie's water works as a natural probiotic which promotes good digestive health.

http://talkbudgies.com/holistic-natural-remedies-[articles]/103936-apple-cider-vinegar.html

With a healthy diet, you should not need any vitamins or supplements other than Vitamin D3 which is used for birds who get limited direct sunlight.

Here is an article about Full Spectrum Lighting:
http://talkbudgies.com/budgie-articles/9015-full-spectrum-lighting.html

This link gives you an idea for a small full spectrum light:

Clamp Lamp and Incandescent Spot Lights at Drs. Foster and Smith: Portable lighting for pet birds

You may choose to use a supplement like Soluvite D in addition to a full spectrum light:

Lady Gouldian Finch .com - Soluvite D


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Thank you all so very much! If I had tried pellets (instead of seeds, still including fruit and veg), I would never let him starve! If he didn't take well to it the first day, I'd try many different things whilst making sure he's eating (so, the seeds etc etc mix). I know it is tough getting them to switch.

You have to understand I was just told by a professional yesterday that his diet will cause tumor or illness and that I needed to FULLY switch him onto pellets. I was probably going to consider trying half and half or sprinkling it onto his food.

You're all so wonderful. Bless you.
 

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Hello there and an official welcome to the forums! :welcome:

I just wanted to chip in with my personal experience of getting my girl to eat pellets :) Also, even if you do switch your little guy onto just pellets, he still needs a little bit of seed each day, as well as veggies, to maintain variety and health in his diet. Seeds aren't bad--they're just high in fat. They are healthy fats, though, and small amounts will not hurt him :thumbsup:

Weaning budgies onto pellets can take forever and be extremely frustrating. The way I did it was in ratios: Every time you change their food, add in a few more pellets, then a few more, then a few more (about a teaspoon more every two days) and after a week, the ratio should be at about 25-30% pellets to 70-75% seeds. At this point, they usually only ate the seeds, and then begged for more seeds, ignoring the pellets.
At this point, do not give in to their begging for more seeds. Most birds will only begin to eat pellets after there's no other option.
This seems kind of dramatic, but that was the way my little girl learned to eat pellets, and now she loves them!
Eventually, increase the pellets until they are 50-50 with the seeds, and finally mostly pellets, then cut out seeds entirely.

Keep in mind that you'll have to monitor him closely to ensure he tastes the pellets. Some birds would rather starve, so if he is absolutely not eating them (it's ok to wait for a day or so) then re-introduce seeds, and either try again, or use another method to get him to accept the taste of pellets, as mentioned :D

Hope that helped a little bit--and I hope to see you around! Feel free to post a picture of your little man when you have the time :)

It's great to have you with us! :wave:
 

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Quality pellet's are wonderful for ensuring all our bird's nutritional need's are being met. I don't agree with an all pellet diet but use them as a daily staple always in their food dish, and fed along with veggies, and quality seed. Egg food or mashed hardboiled egg is another great food to get your bird eating, and once he has an appetite for the egg you can introduce new food's to him in the egg. Egg is very beneficial for molt restoration, as well as flax seed. Sprouted seed's are also healthy, and very beneficial...:)

You should consider milk thistle, and dandelion root for your bird for a
few month's to help with liver detox...:)
 

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I force converted all three of my birds; they ranged from 3 months to six and a half years when I did so. After a few hours, they all started tasting the pellets. They had a hungry day or two at first but after that accepted them readily and I now feed pellets as the bulk of their diet with seed offered three to four times per week and fresh food (eggfood, apple slices and vegetables) 4 - 5 times a week (approximately; I skip a day here and there.) My birds really like Roudybush. I also feed Zupreem fruit blend.
 

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I converted my two budgies to Harrison's food, and it took months to do it. Harrison's is kibble, though, not pellets. Now they only eat Harrison's High Potency Super Fine. If you are interested in finding out more about this food, the Harrison's website has a ton of information. They also have fantastic customer support, which I used many times.

I will add that now that they only eat kibble, the floor around their cage is a lot less messy than it used to be.

Good luck.

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You can't just take out the seed and put pellets in your budgies cage you have to put half of seed and half of pellets and then slowly go onto pellets if you don't want him to have seed.

But warning some birds won't eat pellets if you push pellets onto your bird to fast then they don't like it... You will still have to have seed in there for her...

What i do is i have two containers separate and i put budgie seed in one dish and in another dish i put budgie crumbles... If my budgie doesn't take to the pellets i let him have his seed. It is my budgies choice if he wants to eat pellets or seed... I believe in natural food...Budgie crumbles is little pellets...

Out there in the outback of Australia there is no pellets for the wild budgies only grass seed... Here is seed mix i use....

1 cup of Plain Canary seed
1/2 of a cup of White Millet
1/2 of a cup of Jap Millet
Small amount of Hulled Oats

Mix all of together and put in his seed dish and store the rest in a air tight plastic bag and in a container and put in a dark cupboard....
 

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My experience...

From my experience blending pellets and seeds together doesn't work for me. Budgies are smart, they will not accidentally eat a pellet will they eat their seeds.

You can read so many articles on how to convert them to pellet diet but the thing is there is no easy way.

I tried to eat things as simple as possible. During the day, I will take out their seeds and give them pellets. Then when it gets dark, I put the seeds back. Leave it overnight for them until next morning. Then repeat.

It takes time.

But remember, giving them a choice of food means they will choose their favourites, especially when it comes to a choice between seeds and pellets.

James
 

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But remember, giving them a choice of food means they will choose their favourites, especially when it comes to a choice between seeds and pellets.

James
My budgies have pellets in their cage 24/7.
Even though they get seed each morning and evening (see my previous post) they don't always eat all the seed before eating some of their pellets too. In fact, sometimes they simply nibble on both throughout the day. ;)

I converted my two budgies to Harrison's food, and it took months to do it. Now they only eat Harrison's High Potency Super Fine.
Sandy
Budgies should be getting a good quality seed mix as a portion of their diet every day as well as vegetables and fruit in addition to pellets.
 

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Thank you all so much! Does anybody have a homemade mix of seeds they like to use? Types of seeds?
You can buy the seed loose at a seed produce place i think you can also at a pet store to.. But this is what i use up in my last message to you..They seal it in separate plastic bags...This is not fattening for the bird..I give this to my budgie and he loves it.. This is home made my breeder told me to mix this.

1 cup of Plain Canary seed
1/2 of a cup of White Millet
1/2 of a cup of Jap Millet
Small amount of Hulled Oats

Mix all of together and put in his seed dish and store the rest in a air tight plastic bag and in a container and put in a dark cupboard....
 

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Thank you all so much! Does anybody have a homemade mix of seeds they like to use? Types of seeds?
You can buy the seed loose at a seed produce place i think you can also at a pet store to.. But this is what i use up in my last message to you..They seal it in separate plastic bags...This is not fattening for the bird..I give this to my budgie and he loves it.. This is home made my breeder told me to mix this.

1 cup of Plain Canary seed
1/2 of a cup of White Millet
1/2 of a cup of Jat Millet
Small amount of Hulled Oats

Mix all of together and put in his seed dish and store the rest in a air tight plastic bag and in a container and put in a dark cupboard....
Very helpful; thank you so much!
 

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I just want to let you know that I'm in the same boat... my little guy Kimchi likely has fatty liver disease so we're working on converting his diet.

We tried 3 or 4 different brands before settling on a pellet-- he prefers Harrisons superfine high potency the most so far, and was not a fan of zupreem. I find I'm much more successful at getting him to eat them when I hold them in my hand, so I feed him breakfast and dinner from my hand each day. Then I monitor his weight via a gram scale-- unless he has dropped a gram (vets recommendation) we don't offer seed. It's a long and frustrating process, but he's eating more pellets now than he was before.
 

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I just want to let you know that I'm in the same boat... my little guy Kimchi likely has fatty liver disease so we're working on converting his diet.

We tried 3 or 4 different brands before settling on a pellet-- he prefers Harrisons superfine high potency the most so far, and was not a fan of zupreem. I find I'm much more successful at getting him to eat them when I hold them in my hand, so I feed him breakfast and dinner from my hand each day. Then I monitor his weight via a gram scale-- unless he has dropped a gram (vets recommendation) we don't offer seed. It's a long and frustrating process, but he's eating more pellets now than he was before.
You can't just take the seed away from him why don't you put a small amount of seed in a separate container it is in a budgies diet to have seed I have budgie seed in a separate container and in another container I have small pellets budgie crumbles... Just be very careful you don't want a sick bird they can starve themselves if they don't have seed... In the out back of Australia wild budgies don't have pellets they eat grass seed. Did you see my seed mix those seeds are not fattening.....
 

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You can't just take the seed away from him why don't you put a small amount of seed in a separate container it is in a budgies diet to have seed I have budgie seed in a separate container and in another container I have small pellets budgie crumbles... Just be very careful you don't want a sick bird they can starve themselves if they don't have seed... In the out back of Australia wild budgies don't have pellets they eat grass seed. Did you see my seed mix those seeds are not fattening.....
Yes, in the wild budgies do eat seed (along with plants and even insects-- they eat a very varied diet!) but in the wild they also fly hundreds of miles. Seeds are a poor base diet for captive budgies, not wild ones.

I am following a vet recommendation. All seeds are pretty fattening for a bird who lives inside. I weigh Kimchi regularly to ensure he's maintaining a healthy weight, but the seeds need to go or he will. The fat that he can't metabolize is building up in his liver and will kill him if his diet isn't drastically changed.
 

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Yes, in the wild budgies do eat seed (along with plants and even insects-- they eat a very varied diet!) but in the wild they also fly hundreds of miles. Seeds are a poor base diet for captive budgies, not wild ones.

I am following a vet recommendation. All seeds are pretty fattening for a bird who lives inside. I weigh Kimchi regularly to ensure he's maintaining a healthy weight, but the seeds need to go or he will. The fat that he can't metabolize is building up in his liver and will kill him if his diet isn't drastically changed.
Amy you are a good budgie Mum.....
 
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