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Hi all!

I have a pair and what I think is one if their babies... although I have no way to know for 100% sure because the breeder had to sell all of their birds quickly because of an illness and I got them from a friend who took alot of the birds in to find new homes for them and was unable to speak to the origional breeder :( Pic 1 and 2 are of the male when he was a baby, 3 and 4 are of him now going through his first moult and the last is of his father I believe.
As you can see in the baby pics he has the normal dark spangle markings on his back and wings (He is the one all the way to the right) but now that he is moulting what used to be black markings is turning to green as you can see in the 3nd and 4th pic?? With each new feather they are changing color...Its not black and green... just coming in green where it used to be black? Has anyone else had this happen? All of my other spangles went through a moult and came out with the same original colors... but this guy is confusing me! Have you had this happen? Any ideas?

And as for the father I was told he was probably a opaline spangle when I posted pics of him here months ago when I got him, since he had very little dark markings... but its looking like the baby is going to be just like him, with the normal spangle pattern but just with green instead of black, and this baby for sure did not have any of the opaline pattern before this moult. Do you still think the dad is opaline or just has changed colors too like this baby and is not?

Any help and Ideas would be appreciated!!! Thank you in advance :D
 

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Thank you Barrie :) I'm glad someone else knows what I am talking about!

Is it common for them to do this? I cant find anything on it anywhere. Will all of their babies do the same thing? Is this accepted as just a normal spangle?

I think it is very pretty myself but just had no idea he would do that :)
 

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The body colour showing in the wings is called opalescence. It is not uncommon for birds (not just spangles) to show more opalescence when they are mature than they had when they were babies. It does not mean that the bird is opaline but often males that show a lot of opalescence are split for opaline
 

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We have many spangles in the UK Nev that are difficult to identify on the show bench because they are showing opaline markings yet are normals, in my eyes we have ruined another variety budgie.

This chap now has not a bar on his head and a wonderful clear saddle



When he was a baby

 

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Thank you for that explination Nev :) This is my first time breeding the one pair so I will find out if he is indeed split to opaline hopefully.

Thank you for the pics Barrie! :) That looks so much like the ones I have... Do you find that they loose their throat spots too usually or that it changes them? Do yours end up having no black markings at all? And is it usually inherited by their chicks?
 

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That is very interesting what you said Barrie and Nev.
 

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Thank you for that explination Nev :) This is my first time breeding the one pair so I will find out if he is indeed split to opaline hopefully.

Thank you for the pics Barrie! :) That looks so much like the ones I have... Do you find that they loose their throat spots too usually or that it changes them? Do yours end up having no black markings at all? And is it usually inherited by their chicks?
We are breeding them with less throat spots Lindsey , as i have said before we are spoiling the good looks of the spangles
 

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my Honey is a spangle and after her first proper moult she lost most of the blue in her checks - she had this bright blue spot inside a white circle - now there is only a speck of blue in a small white circle
 

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Thats so sad :( Is there any way to stop this from hapening? Whats the best thing to do breed them to ones that have strong spangle markings?
 

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We are breeding them with less throat spots Lindsey , as i have said before we are spoiling the good looks of the spangles
That's very interesting, here in NY I'm finding that the size and amount of black spot has greatly diminished. It's tricky to find spots that are larger than this ---> o also, there are usually only 1 or 2 on each cheek even on the normals. I'm all about classic big dots.

Thanks for the wisdom and knowledge everyone!

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That's very interesting, here in NY I'm finding that the size and amount of black spot has greatly diminished. It's tricky to find spots that are larger than this ---> o also, there are usually only 1 or 2 on each cheek even on the normals. I'm all about classic big dots.

Thanks for the wisdom and knowledge everyone!

~S
I think in NY the english are differnt than over seas. I know that the american keets in NY do have the classic big dots,only because there are more greens and blues,I think the greywings and dilutes are less common,and see less cheekdots because of that..I'm also not sure which part of NY you are from,so it could be different from NYC to the other side of the state.
 

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I wouldn't mind seeing pics of your birds without the dots...here's some of mine that do have them..
Chip

Paint(Chips younger brother from a different clutch)

Ford( he only has 3 dots!)

Squeak

Blueberry

Cheeto and Frito (sisters from same clutch)

Piper(mother to Cheeto and Frito,she's my friends bird) Ghost and Violet(Chips daughters) Opal,(My friends bird also)
 

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Awww...you're birds are great! I love them! They make me smile! Here's some of my "dot less" ones...

Ollie

Boo-Berry

Stormy, RobberThumb and Sunny

bunch of my dot-less birds


Ino - Buttermilk

Cirrus (the 'dotted dad' df grey/mauve) with baby Nimbus-dots are more faint (mom is albino)...he's fostered & feeding another pairs' baby
 

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I think in NY the English are different than over seas. I know that the American keets in NY do have the classic big dots,only because there are more greens and blues,I think the greywings and dilutes are less common,and see less cheekdots because of that..I'm also not sure which part of NY you are from,so it could be different from NYC to the other side of the state.
I agree...even 1 of my English (Oliver, in the first pic above) is quite faint on dots. I also agree that they are less common on the dilutes, spangles and recessive pieds. I'm in the western NY area. There are NO English budgie breeders around my neck of the woods. I'm in the process in building my flock up with a violet normal hen, violet rec pied hen, grey/green spangle opaline male, YF2 female, true rainbow male, sky blue female, df green normal male and golden face green opaline spangle male. I just sold one of my first 3 Eng. babies today to a lovely family! They lucked out, they'll breed him in a year or so, he's split with violet and crested!
 

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I agree...even 1 of my English (Oliver, in the first pic above) is quite faint on dots. I also agree that they are less common on the dilutes, spangles and recessive pieds. I'm in the western NY area. There are NO English budgie breeders around my neck of the woods. I'm in the process in building my flock up with a violet normal hen, violet rec pied hen, grey/green spangle opaline male, YF2 female, true rainbow male, sky blue female, df green normal male and golden face green opaline spangle male. I just sold one of my first 3 Eng. babies today to a lovely family! They lucked out, they'll breed him in a year or so, he's split with violet and crested!
A "handful" of some dotless ones, hehe!
 

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Crowfriend, I would like to talk to you about English breeders and the area you are located in,but do not want to go into personal details on the forum itself,You have your PM option turned off too. Don't know if it's because your unaware or not.
 
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