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There has been much debate in my family about little Jasper. The argument always comes down to, is he a grey-wing or is he a cinnamon.
I am pretty sure he is a cinnamon, and I'm also pretty sure I'm bias! I have thrown his picture up on a couple of websites, including this one and I am getting really inconclusive results. His wings aren't overly grey, and they're not overly cinnamon, so I have no idea! I don't know anything about his parents. I'll throw up some pictures in a couple of minutes, but first can I get a brief description of both? Are there any characteristics that would tell one from another? Foot colour? I don't have any pictures of him when he was little either, and I never checked for plum eyes. I just know they were fully dark not so long ago.
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Cinnamons have brown markings and throat spots and have a 50% diluted body colour, feet are usually pink and they have plum coloured eyes which are very noticable when they have just hatched.

Greywings come in 2 'types', a Greywing will have grey markings and throat spots and a 50% diluted body colour however a full bodied greywing will also have the grey markings and throat spots but will not have diluted body colour.

Here are some pictures to help you:
Normal Budgie in the middle: however note the bird on the right, he is a full bodied greywing you can see his throat spots, the bird on the left is Cinnamon


Cinnamons:






Full Bodied Greywings:




 

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This seems to be the problem. He has black throat spots, but his feathers are a greyish brown. More-so grey than brown, but it's definitely there. His eyes are a golden brown. Pink feet.
 

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I think you're confusing cheek patches (uneven patches), which are usually violet, with throat spots (round spots), which are usually black. In some mutations, the cheek patches are not violet and/or the throat spots are not black.
You're quite right! I just got the wording wrong! Thanks XD
 

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I'm still a bit confused with my own bird though. He seems to be a blend in my eyes.
That picture above is really accurate for his colouring. =D
 

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I think he is a greywing :)

I have a greywing female that looks so simalar to the color of yours(She is on the left in first 2 pics and the right on the 3rd) She is a full body greywing though and also opaline. She has almost browinish markings too, but has given me many greywing babies with her greywing mate :)

P.s Sorry she was a little ruffed up in the pics... this was when I first got her and she had a pit of a rough time in the travel cage :rolleyes:
 

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If he's a cinnamon the cinnamon should run down the quill. He doesn't look cinnamon to me.
I've been thinking that.
Good thing I kept a bunch of his feathers that have fallen out over the course of his molt!
The colour is black, not cinnamon. So grey-wing then? Finally settled XD
 

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I think he is a greywing :)

I have a greywing female that looks so simalar to the color of yours(She is on the left in first 2 pics and the right on the 3rd) She is a full body greywing though and also opaline. She has almost browinish markings too, but has given me many greywing babies with her greywing mate :)

P.s Sorry she was a little ruffed up in the pics... this was when I first got her and she had a pit of a rough time in the travel cage :rolleyes:
Ah perfect picture! She is a sweetie! I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that brown hint, because I was starting to think I was nuts. I'm glad I finally get to know what he is! Thankyou for the help. ;)
 

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And to make things even more interesting, a bird can be both cinnamon and greywing. My budgie-boy Penske is an olive-green greywing cinnamon (he is a greywing, but not a full-bodied greywing.)

 

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Usually the surest way to tell a cinnamon from a greywing is by the tail. The main tail feathers on a cinnamon are usually blue whereas a greywing will always have a grey tail
 

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i had the same problem with my girl Halo i was so confussed, but i found she is deff greywing by as Nev said the tail. lovely bub you have :)
 

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Usually the surest way to tell a cinnamon from a greywing is by the tail. The main tail feathers on a cinnamon are usually blue whereas a greywing will always have a grey tail
My Jaspers tail is blue. There are no grey tail feathers, only lighter and darker blue ones. ( I really wish I had my camera!!)
What does this mean??
 

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My Jaspers tail is blue. There are no grey tail feathers, only lighter and darker blue ones. ( I really wish I had my camera!!)
What does this mean??
It means Jasper is cinnamon

There can be a lot of variation in the shade of brown on a cinnamon. Show breeders always select the the ones with the darkest markings for breeding

Also it is usual for a greywing to have grey feet and a cinnamon to have pink feet (except when they have a grey factor)

He looks cinnamon to me in the picture too
 
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