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So I got a beautiful little girl last night. She's opaline, so she's got those gorgeous little markings from her head on down (I promise I'll post a picture later, I just only have a minute right now.), but what was interesting to me is she is violet from the top of her head to the back (that classic opaline v-shape), and then on her body she looks much more cobalt. I can't see any white patches on her body except for right at the edge of her wings, which isn't really that strange anyway, right? Here's the clincher. She has light irises. She obviously is a very bright girl, so she can't be DF spangle.

So here are my questions. Can violet just make splashes of color? Is there any other possibility than her being dominant pied? (That would actually be a bonus, I love pieds)
 

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Really need a picture to be honest.

I am not sure what her Iris rings have to do with anything? DF Spangle do get Iris rings which if she is blue she won't be a df spangle anyway.
 

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The picture is for kicks, but this is a hypothetical question. Is there any other mutation besides dominant pied (what I'm suspecting) and DF spangle (which she obviously is not) that would cause iris rings? Because it is a fact that she has iris rings. The third picture shows that. Sorry about the graininess. I'm really too busy to wait for high quality pictures to upload.

To answer your question: The light iris rings have nothing to do with the violet, just about. There were two separate questions. I noticed the light iris rings, which immediately made me think dominant pied, but she is poorly marked if she is a dominant pied. If not for the iris rings, I wouldn't have called her a pied. So I'm wondering if she is definitely pied, that's all. (Her body does look a little splotchy, but none of it is actually white, just light violet. )


 

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I'll put a picture later for kicks, but this is a hypothetical question. Is there any other mutation besides dominant pied (what I'm suspecting) and DF spangle (which she obviously is not) that would cause iris rings? Because it is a fact that she has iris rings.
(Update on the cobalt: She's looking more violet to me now, so it was probably a lighting thing.)
Err most mutations have iris rings, the ones I can think of off the top of my head that do NOT have iris rings are recessive pieds and dark eyed clears, think there might be a couple more but can't think of them at the moment.
 

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Every normal mutation has Iris rings they get lighter with Age By the time the bird is 1 yr old or older they're White

There are only a few that do not get them
Dark eyed clear, Recessive pied,are 2 I can think of off the top of my head.

but She could be a DF Spangle(they do get iris rings) with Suffusion which means the body color would bleed though it doesn't happen a lot but it does happen

The only "True" violet is a Cobalt Blue Violet and the tones of their colors do change (any color not just a Violet) on their bodies and depends on how the light hits

my Tweety(in my avatar) some days looks Extremely dark other days he looks a few shades lighter He is a Cobalt Violet Dominant Pied he also does have iris rings And he's 4 years old.
 

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She is a cobalt (could be Cobalt violet) Opaline she is not pied at all. the "clear" areas on the ends of the outer wings is because she's Opaline
 

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She is a beautiful little girl!! What is her name?
Phoenix, tentatively :)

:confused2: I don't know why I thought light iris rings were specific to those two mutations. I actually posted a similar comment on someone else's thread that I'm going to delete now. :D

@ATV I think she is, based on what you said. The top of her head is a very clear purple, so it's gotta be in there somewhere.

based on the fact that her irises are a light gray, age estimate at least 8 months or so?
 

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Phoenix, tentatively :)

:confused2: I don't know why I thought light iris rings were specific to those two mutations. I actually posted a similar comment on someone else's thread that I'm going to delete now. :D

@ATV I think she is, based on what you said. The top of her head is a very clear purple, so it's gotta be in there somewhere.

based on the fact that her irises are a light gray, age estimate at least 8 months or so?
Yes I'd say just by looking at her eyes she's around 8 months.

But keep in mind if she lives in or ever has lived in an Aviary or an Aviary type setting They can be hard to tell the age of - mine are in an Aviary setting - they live inside but with a lot of other budgies I have had Budgies at 2 months old With white iris rings(like 1*+yr olds have), and females with Dark brown in condition ceres, boys with Bright blue ceres.
Here's an example of of one of mine when she was only about 2 months old with Iris rings of at least a 6 month old
 

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Yes I'd say just by looking at her eyes she's around 8 months.

But keep in mind if she lives in or ever has lived in an Aviary or an Aviary type setting They can be hard to tell the age of - mine are in an Aviary setting - they live inside but with a lot of other budgies I have had Budgies at 2 months old With white iris rings(like 1*+yr olds have), and females with Dark brown in condition ceres, boys with Bright blue ceres.
Here's an example of of one of mine when she was only about 2 months old with Iris rings of at least a 6 month old
What difference Aviary or Aviary type setting make?

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What difference Aviary or Aviary type setting make?

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it often makes them Mature quicker - not meaning they can breed earlier of course!- but often when a aviary or aviary setting the males will get their blue ceres (or deep purple/pink for the ones who don't get blue) A lot earlier, females will get their brown ceres and some the dark crusty "in breeding mode" ceres a lot faster along with both genders getting lighter iris rings a lot faster then they should Like a 2-3 month old having very bright white iris rings that normally isn't seen until a budgie is 1 yr old.

compared to a single budgie home or a home with just a handful of budgies, where most of the males don't get their blue ceres(for the ones who do) until they're a year old some even later, Girls get their tan- brown ceres at a year or later and same with the light iris rings.

That is how it was explained to me by several different long time Breeders when I asked a few years ago why my 2 month old female had a cere of a 1yr old in breeding mode, and why they had White Iris rings when they were only 2 months old

and when I sat and thought about it and thought back to when I had just 1 budgie or just a few It made sense, My 1st budgie Tweety(in my avatar) his cere didn't turn blue until he was a year old, Iris rings came when he was almost 2 years old. I got him at 4 months old by the time he was 1 i only had about 8 budgies, but once I started breeding and having more They were all "maturing" a lot sooner then they normally should of. But again I don't mean maturing in the sense that they were able to breed they were still way too young for that.
 

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Yes I'd say just by looking at her eyes she's around 8 months.

But keep in mind if she lives in or ever has lived in an Aviary or an Aviary type setting They can be hard to tell the age of - mine are in an Aviary setting - they live inside but with a lot of other budgies I have had Budgies at 2 months old With white iris rings(like 1*+yr olds have), and females with Dark brown in condition ceres, boys with Bright blue ceres.
Here's an example of of one of mine when she was only about 2 months old with Iris rings of at least a 6 month old
Wow. That's a really pretty girl. I wouldn't worry too much about that one. She lived with like three other birds, I think. (Petsmart)
I got stretcher from petco, and I think he's in his 3-5 month molt. No iris rings, and He's been molting since I got him in April. He was with more birds than she was, so I doubt either of their environments qualify as an aviary setting.
 

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Birds do not all mature at the same rate so any estimate on a bird's age because of the amount of barring or the development of light iris rings can only be approximate

Just because the normal for a mutation is to show a certain feature there is always an exception that is slightly different.
 

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Birds do not all mature at the same rate so any estimate on a bird's age because of the amount of barring or the development of light iris rings can only be approximate

Just because the normal for a mutation is to show a certain feature there is always an exception that is slightly different.
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