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So to make it easy, I'll try to get several good pictures of each bird and post them seperately, a post per bird. Any questions I have relating to the birds, I will ask, I will also give as much information as I have!
Thank ya'll, and I hope I can get some answers!

So, first up is Beau.
I'm pretty sure Beau is a boy...about 100%.
He has no band. His suspected date of birth is about July 29th, 2008.
As for his mutations-
Yellow Based
1 Dark Factor/Dark Green
Dominant Pied SF
And Clearflight Pied.

My only question regarding Beau is...Is there anyway to distinguish if he is DF Clearflight or SF Clearflight or am I just going to have to wait and see once I breed him?

Lux-
D.O.B - 4/20/09
Has a band.
About 90% that she is a she.

Yellow Face II - I would love for someone to confirm this and maybe give me some more details on the genetics and how they would be passed on.
Cinnamon

Now, because she is a Yellow Face, I have no idea how this effects her other coloring. Would she still be considered a sky blue? Also, could some send me some charts on how I could possibly breed lacewings with her and more cinnamons?

Vox-
D.O.B. - About 5/18/09
Has band
Possibly male? About 75% sure.

White based
II Dark Factors/ Mauve
Opaline - I would love to learn more about this, just like I would with the cinnamons and yellowfaces.
Is he a spangle?
DF Dominant Pied
Clearflight Pied
 

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Beau is a double dominant pied light green male. The basic difference between a single factor and double factor dominant pied is the amount of pattern on the wing. Single factor dominant pieds can have clear flights all the way up to 50% wing pattern. Now double factor dominant pieds have a couple patterned feathers on their shoulders or none at all. Hope that helps you out.
 

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Snow White

Snow White A.K.A. Snowie, Snow
D.O.B. Unknown Age: Guessing about 4-6 months, but would love your opinions!
No band
I'm almost 99% this one is a girl, but someone said that a bright pink cere means a boy. I don't know...take a guess!

White based
1 Dark factor/Cobalt
Violet (Is there anyway to tell is she is DF or SF?)
Cinnamon
Recessive Pied
 

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Skittles

Skittles
About 75% sure it's a boy, would love your opinions
Estimated d.o.b. - 11/14/09

Colors:
YellowFace II (Same question as Lux, though I'd also like to know how to breed them)
Sky blue?
Opaline
Dominant Pied SF
Clearflight Pied
And he is supposedly split to ino.
 

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Applez

Last but not least is Applez. I just got her today (I might just call her Apple...I don't know yet). Anyway, I haven't filled out her information in my breeder diary so you might as well just throw any idead you have at me!

I'm about 95% sure she is a girl though...and I'm guessing she is over 8 months though I haven't taken a really good look at her yet...she just was put in the cage with Skittles (they were bought at the same store about 3 or 4 days apart, and had been cage mates at the store, so they now get to enjoy quarantine together!)
 

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Beau is a double dominant pied light green male. The basic difference between a single factor and double factor dominant pied is the amount of pattern on the wing. Single factor dominant pieds can have clear flights all the way up to 50% wing pattern. Now double factor dominant pieds have a couple patterned feathers on their shoulders or none at all. Hope that helps you out.
So he would NOT be a Clearflight Pie then?
 

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beau, i would say dark green dominant pied normal. i do not have much experience with df dom pieds, but would have thought he was a heavily pieded sf dom pied.

is there a reason you thought clearflight pied also?

dominant pieds usually have clear flight feathers so that is not necessarily an indication of clearflight pied.
 

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beau, i would say dark green dominant pied normal. i do not have much experience with df dom pieds, but would have thought he was a heavily pieded sf dom pied.

is there a reason you thought clearflight pied also?

dominant pieds usually have clear flight feathers so that is not necessarily an indication of clearflight pied.
Besides having the clearflight feathers, his tail feathers are clear. He has clear feathers up under his neck as well as the clear spot on the back of his head. Aren't those ALL indications that he is a clearflight?
 

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lux looks like a skyblue yf1 cinnamon hen.

if the yellow splills down her chest a lot then she is a yf2.

yes she is still a skyblue, body colour is inherited separately from varieties, so it is best to consider each bird as having a basic body colour and then the varieties - which may or may not effect the body colour... so in this case you have a skyblue that has been diluted a bit by the cinnamon and has yellow present due to the yf.
 

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Besides having the clearflight feathers, his tail feathers are clear. He has clear feathers up under his neck as well as the clear spot on the back of his head. Aren't those ALL indications that he is a clearflight?
clearflights have clear flight feathers, and probably some other clear wing feathers, often a clear patch on the head, but if there is any patcehs on the body they are usually up high, attached to the mask. they do not often have patches down low on the belly.

dominant pieds have a head patch, usually some clear flight feathers, and a patch of clear on the body down lower separate from the mask, though this can be quite large and spread upwards too.

obviously natural variation can make these hard to tell apart at times!

can someone with more experience give any more, or more accurate, info?
 

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By the way, I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to get the most accurate information as possible. :thumbsup:
 

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vox i would guess is a hen... mauve opaline pied... i am not sure if she is clearflight or dominant, though going by the patches of colour down on her belly i would lean towards dominat pied.

i am sure someone with more pied experience can tell you.
 

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vox i would guess is a hen... mauve opaline pied... i am not sure if she is clearflight or dominant, though going by the patches of colour down on her belly i would lean towards dominat pied.

i am sure someone with more pied experience can tell you.
:eek: Vox is a girl!?!
 

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snow - looks like a recessive pied male... but i can't see enough to pick body colour or any other varieties sorry.
 

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snow - looks like a recessive pied male... but i can't see enough to pick body colour or any other varieties sorry.
She/He is very difficult to pick out the color on. Very VERY little markings, a few cinnamon spots on the back, and only a little cobalt with violet on the rump.
 

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skittles looks like a skyblue opaline yf dom pied - again guessing dom pied due to lower belly band of white.

i can't see if the yellow runs down the chest, if so then she is yf2.... looks like a she to me too...

yf is dominant so as long as one parent has it then some chicks will.
 

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vox looks to have a young girl cere to me.... whitish around the nostrils...

df dominant pieds often look like recessive pieds with very few markings so if show develops iris rings then that is probably what he is. in recessive pieds the hens have normal ceres but the males have pinkish ones.
 

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Beau double dominant pied light green. Lux is a cinnamon sky blue yellowface type II. Vox is a dominant pied mauve and I guess opaline.
 
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