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Getting a friend for a potentially contagious budgie

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Hello,

8 months ago, I bought a budgie named Bella (4 years old female) from an owner who couldn't take care of her anymore. I took her in as I needed a cagemate for Kkojib (4 yo male), who i had from a baby.
Bella passed a quarantine period of 2 weeks just fine and was then introduced to the main cage to live with Kkojib. I can't say they were the closest of friends but they did get along most of the time and only squabbled over who got the food first.
However, 2 months after contact, Kkojib contracted chronic avian gastric yeast (confirmed by avian vet), which wasn't helped by the cold winter we just had in the UK, even with cage heating. Even with antifungals and antibiotics (nystatin and baytril, vet didn't give amp b), Kkojib's bouts of acute symptoms (vomiting, losing weight) increased in frequency until he sadly passed away in January this year, leaving Bella alone.
I have a theory that Bella was a non-symptomatic carrier of the avian gastric yeast that Kkojib contracted, and that Kkojib was for various reasons more susceptible to the disease than Bella which led to his death. This is just a theory, I do not know if Bella is a carrier or not. Even if I go to the vets to get her checked, from what I've read, fecal samples may not show yeast in non-symptomatic individuals.

Unfortunately I am not in a situation where I meet Bella's social needs myself and was thinking of potentially getting her a new cagemate. However, I am worried that if she is indeed a carrier, her new cagemate may also get sick :(

Does anyone have any experience with a situation like this? What should I do?
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Sorry for your loss of Kkojib. It is very suspicious that Kkojib became ill so soon after the introduction to Bella. However a bird can harbor the organism without becoming ill and can then become ill from it if the immune system is compromised by something else, even a stress related incident, so it is also possible that Kkojib had the organism and something made it flare up. Unfortunately it cannot always be determined if a bird has AGY because it is not always actively shed so even if you test the droppings there may not be evidence of its presence. Either way, you now have the possibility that Bella has it, possibly she did when you acquired her, or now, may have picked it up from Kkojib. I would have Bella examined by the vet and at least have a gram stain done on the droppings to see if anything abnormal shows, although as I indicted a clear sample does not mean she does not have AGY. I have had 2 birds with AGY and thankfully it did not pass to my other birds, in one case the organism never showed on a fecal test, only in necropsy results.
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Thanks for the links! I totally understand that quarantine is necessary and next time (if there is a next time) I will make sure to make it at least a month. However, that doesn't really help me with my specific dilemma because if Bella does have AGY, it doesn't seem to be symptomatic in her, which means she would have passed the longer quarantine anyways.
Even if I do get a new budgie friend for Bella and it passes quarantine, that only provides clues on whether the new bird is sick, not whether it will be susceptible to catching AGY from Bella.
As Cody has explained, there is no way to know for sure whether or not Bella has AGY since she is asymptomatic.

I'm sorry we can't be of further assistance.
Aw man, I would feel so bad if I got another budgie seriously sick with AGY just because I wanted to get Bella (whos is apparently a MALE!) a friend :( I think Bella is just going to have to deal with having no budgie friends then. Unless there are other bird species out there that can deal with AGY and can get along with budgies??
AGY is transmissible to other species of birds. Additionally, it is not recommended to house another species of bird with budgies.

However, if Bella is exhibiting no symptoms and gets a clean bill of health from your Avian Vet, then I see no reason why you should not consider getting him a friend.

Dependent, of course, that you review and consider the guidance on getting another pet. 😉.

Make sure you get another male and follow quarantine. Be aware, not all budgies get along so you must be willing and able to house it separately if necessary.

How much time are you able to spend with Bella on a regular basis each day?
Many budgies are quite happy as solo birds if they have plenty of interaction with their human “flock”.
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