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GI? Regurgitating? Allergic to meds? Getting worse tonight. I think vet is wrong. Can you guys help?

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I have a 1 1/2 year old female, albino budgie named Snow. About 2 weeks ago, every time he ate his food he would open and close his beak (not bobbing his head, not yawning, not overheating). As he opened and closed his mouth a few seed particles and skins would come out. He did this every time he ate and it lasted for 30-45 seconds. Other than that he's been completely normal - eating, drinking, playing, etc, no signs of illness. I went to the vet and they found bacteria in his poop and he tested negative for a specific GI issue. They gave him Clavamox and Nystatin 0.5 twice daily for 10 days. We are on day 4. It hasn't gotten better, just the same. Tonight I gave him his medicine and as he's eating white residue was forming on his beak while he was opening and closing his mouth. Clear, white. It wasn't liquidity (that's what my last bird had) just some residue that stuck to his beak and then left when he went for more food. Just a few minutes ago he opened and closed his mouth while moving his tongue around several times. No bobbing. Just opened mouth and tongue moving. Now he is half sleeping and coming out of the cage. Is he allergic to his meds possibly? I thought that he might have a sour crop, or some such yeast infection since their was bacteria in his stool and he's obviously not digesting properly. But, they put him on an antibiotic and it's making me concerned that it's making it worse. They figured give him both in case if it's a bacterial thing or fungal thing either way it'll treat it and see if he gets better. Since this behavior has changed just tonight I'm freaking out and I know I can't call or take him in until the morning. I just need some thoughts from the community and if this is something I should be freaking out about tonight or in general
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Awwww poor little Snow馃挆 sorry y鈥檃ll are goin through this. I am guessing/hoping that if you keep on with the meds it鈥檒l get better. It鈥檚 only day 4 so maybe the turning point is around the corner. Is he acting ok other than sleepy? Eating and drinking? Any change in his poops since the start of meds?
Thank you. I'm hoping too. It's just worrying that it's randomly getting worse. Yeah he's totally normal. He's coming out of the cage and flying and playing and eating drinking tweeting etc. Poop normal too since the meds. What do you think the discharge is? Anything to be worried about? :/
Do you think the discharge could be the meds he鈥檚 taking? For total reassurance you can always bring him back to the vet. Or a different vet for second opinion?
Was it an avian vet that saw Snow, did they do a crop or choana swab? When the vet feels the crop they should be able to tell if it feels abnormal, it can feel gassy, impacted, full, etc. all pointing to various problems, there are also things in the mouth that can be wrong, did the vet do a complete physical exam? It sounds like something is definitely not right in the mouth or crop if you keep seeing a substance being spit out, I was wondering the same as JillBee, could Snow be spitting out the meds? Sometimes, as with any bacterial infection, the antibiotic given may not be the best one to treat the infection, if after the full course of the antibiotic, or if the bird is getting worse then it may be best to have a culture done to determine what med would be most effective at treating the issue.
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Please provide an update on Snow and answer the questions posed by Cody.
I hope little Snow has greatly improved at this point in time. 馃挏馃挏

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Thank you so much. I'm sorry I didn't see these replies until now. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I took Snow to an avian vet in my area. They are well liked in the community. They did a physical and a GI PCR test as well as a fecal test. The fecal showed a lot of bacteria. They did not do a crop swab. They did say that he's probably regurgitating her anitbiotic and I believe they were right. She has stopped as of two days ago.. We're on 8 days of 10 meds and I'm seeing no improvement. The vet said something about her jaw being off? But she said she doesn't think it could be that since she's so young. I would like for her to do a crop swab because it really does seem like something is up with her crop (mother's intuition). Do you think that the vet would have to feel something off with the crop for there to be an infection? Or could nothing feel wrong but an infection still be present?
Thank you so much. I'm sorry I didn't see these replies until now. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I took Snow to an avian vet in my area. They are well liked in the community. They did a physical and a GI PCR test as well as a fecal test. The fecal showed a lot of bacteria. They did not do a crop swab. They did say that he's probably regurgitating her anitbiotic and I believe they were right. She has stopped as of two days ago.. We're on 8 days of 10 meds and I'm seeing no improvement. The vet said something about her jaw being off? But she said she doesn't think it could be that since she's so young. I would like for her to do a crop swab because it really does seem like something is up with her crop (mother's intuition). Do you think that the vet would have to feel something off with the crop for there to be an infection? Or could nothing feel wrong but an infection still be present?
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My budgie had a bacterial infection that they gave me oral antibiotics for. This was after he was brought in on emergency because he was having respiratory issues. After his 7 day course of antibiotics, I thought he was fine. He later started having panting issues (like when its hot) ,but these weren't due to heat. I brought him back to the vet and they thought that he had atherosclerosis because he was 10 years old. They gave me medication for it ,but I had doubts after months of his panting issues becoming more frequent. I got worried so I called, and one vet thought he could try an injectable antibiotic that lasts a few days , and sure enough his panting issues went away within 2 days for the most part. My thought is that he always had this bacterial infection ,but it was never fully treated with that 7 day oral antibiotic (he would spit some of it out or it was the wrong antibiotic). So you can try and ask your vet if they do antibiotic injections since you think she could be regurgitating it. See what they think.

During those months, he would eat normally, and climb around his cage playing with his toys. He would sometimes look stressed ( he would have his eyes wide open and twitch his wings). He also had trouble gaining weight, and later gained it quickly after the antibiotic. So they can appear to be completely fine in some ways ,but have something really wrong with them that needs to be treated.
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Thank you so much. I'm sorry I didn't see these replies until now. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I took Snow to an avian vet in my area. They are well liked in the community. They did a physical and a GI PCR test as well as a fecal test. The fecal showed a lot of bacteria. They did not do a crop swab. They did say that he's probably regurgitating her anitbiotic and I believe they were right. She has stopped as of two days ago.. We're on 8 days of 10 meds and I'm seeing no improvement. The vet said something about her jaw being off? But she said she doesn't think it could be that since she's so young. I would like for her to do a crop swab because it really does seem like something is up with her crop (mother's intuition). Do you think that the vet would have to feel something off with the crop for there to be an infection? Or could nothing feel wrong but an infection still be present?
Yes, an infection can be present that cannot be determined by feeling the crop, also you may need a different antibiotic or the issue in the crop could be fungal instead of bacterial, did the vet tell you the % of gram negative bacteria that was found in the droppings, it is the gram negative bacteria found that indicates an infection and the % will tell how severe it is.
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