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hey everyone

I have been having an extremely worrying time with Harley over the past 3 days.
Saturday I noticed that Harley had been sick (In the way of regurgitating and flicking it all over himself - resembling an orange gunk that had a very fishy foul smell)
Sunday Harley seemed puffy and lethargic, not eating and not passing any stool.

Monday pretty much the same but passing stool of clumps of undigested seed and attempting to eat some millet


(PICTURE TAKEN YESTERDAY - DUE TO FLUFFY FEATHERS AND PUFFED OUT YOU CANNOT SEE HOW MUCH WEIGHT HE HAS LOST

Rarely do I pick Harley up in terms of physically hold and restrain him unless a need, but I did and noticed that he felt paper thin and feather light - you cant tell from looking at him under those gorgeous feathers.
I weighed him and he weighs 20g - Underweight :(

The vet surgery which I have always used only had 1 vet that was confident in her capabilities to treat budgies, I called and she had left, and none of the vets there are confident they can treat birds...
desperate I called around surgeries within my area and further afield and I can honestly say to find a vet that wants to treat a budgie and are confident they are able to, is as hard as finding a needle in a haystack!

finally some wonderful lady recommended a vet that wasn't too much of a journey who she knew had been trained in working with birds a great deal, so Off I took Harley this morning

Over Monday night until the vet visit this morning, his condition has remained the same - Still passing undigested seed, still attempting to bring something up (A regurgitation movement - not able to bring anything up), he was repeating this constantly, then fluffing himself out and going back to sleep. - Me - I was so worried I woke up every hour during the night to check hes ok, still breathing, still balancing and still ok.

The vet couldn't tell there and then but in case of an infection he's on Baytril Antibiotic morning and evening.

My gut instinct is that there is an obstruction(I had been watching him with toys and noticed that certain things he was eating rather than shredding like Tilly does) so a while ago I removed any rope toys and shreddables would be with my supervision - I have a gut instinct that him ingesting toys - i.e. rope , shreddable bits off toys has built up and causing this,

tomorrow morning I have him booked in for an Xray to investigate further.

On returning home I have noticed a lump that he has passed from his bottom (Pictured) (AS YOU CAN SEE ITS ALMOST LIKE A DRY HAY LIKE TEXTURE, ITS ABOUT 10X THE SIZE OF A SMALL BUDGIE DROPPING, IT HAS NO POO IN WITH IT BUT SMELLS FOUL - THE SAME SMELL OF THAT FOUL FISH YEAST SMELL)

This appears to be bits of the shreddable toys and possibly rope that had been accumulating in his crop /throat or tummy that has wound together with time and caused him to be very ill.

What should be a natural toy that should be fun has caused the most critical and ill health Harley has ever had. I feel awful. I'm worried sick, I haven't stopped crying and I just pray that he has passed this out and that is all that was in his system and no further illness has come of it.

His stool (after passing this lump) is not NOT indigested seed, but resembling stool again, Its dark almost black but its at least, resembling poo again - I have placed white paper under where he sleeps so that I can look in the morning before he goes to the vets on what he has passed over night and fingers crossed it will improve further over night .
(I SMUDGED THE BLACK PART DOWNWARDS AS I WAS CHECKING FOR BLOOD ETC)

All toys that can be chewed and wound together has been removed and replaced with safer toys.

Lets PRAY tomorrow brings good news and Harley regains his weight, strength and lives a happy health life - He is my absolute world along with Tilly and I cannot even imagine life without him!
 
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Sammy,

It does appear that Harley has/had a crop impaction that is the result of him ingesting cotton fibers from rope perches or toys. The main concern is whether or not there is additional impaction in his crop at this time. :hug:

I pray that Harley has now passed ALL of the foreign impacting material(s).
Please let us know what you find out after his X-ray tomorrow.

My Avian Vet prescribed Baytril for Shelby when he had an infection of the crop and although it took several days, it cleared the infection so hopefully it will do the same for Harley.

Sending lots of healing energy, positive thoughts and prayers for your sweet Harley. :hug:
 

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Oh my goodness! Praying that Harley has passed whatever was causing a problem and he's on the road to recovery! Please keep us posted! Harley and Tilly's feel like part of my family too! Get better soon little Harley!!:hug: Praying for you too, Sammy! :hug:
 
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Sammy,

It does appear that Harley has/had a crop impaction that is the result of him ingesting cotton fibers from rope perches or toys. The main concern is whether or not there is additional impaction in his crop at this time. :hug:

I pray that Harley has now passed ALL of the foreign impacting material(s).
Please let us know what you find out after his X-ray tomorrow.

My Avian Vet prescribed Baytril for Shelby when he had an infection of the crop and although it took several days, it cleared the infection so hopefully it will do the same for Harley.

Sending lots of healing energy, positive thoughts and prayers for your sweet Harley. :hug:
Thank you! I pray so hard that he has passed all of what was there. His Xray tomorrow will show more, Im so worried about him.

The impaction of what he seems to have bought up must of been there for some time and its only now the past 3 days that he has shown ANY indication of illness, prior to this he was completely normal and healthy.

Ive checked underneath him literally before am typing this - Surely having NO stool - Just clumps of undigested seed to even if it looks unhealthy at the moment , but waste is an improvement?

(This is what hes just passed - Maybe all the build up is coming out?)

Its soooo difficult for them, Its times like this they could tell you whats the matter. <3 I absolutely love the bones off him!!!!

Hes so puffed :(
 

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Oh my goodness! Praying that Harley has passed whatever was causing a problem and he's on the road to recovery! Please keep us posted! Harley and Tilly's feel like part of my family too! Get better soon little Harley!!:hug: Praying for you too, Sammy! :hug:
Oh I know Im praying hard too! Thank you for your kind words and thoughts, I will definitely keep you updated! <3 <3
 
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Yes, the fact that he's passing waste material now is a good sign -- it will help get the infection from the other materials out of his little body.

You might want to offer him some millet spray soaked in electrolyte to help give him some energy to help the healing process.
If you don't have any on hand or can't get out to get some, here is a recipe so you can make some at home:

Pedialyte Recipe

Here is a recipe for homemade "pedialyte'

½ cup hot water
3 ½ cups water
2 Tablespoons honey (or sugar if you have no honey)
½ teaspoon salt
Optional: 2 Tablespoons Orange or Apple Juice

Mix the honey and salt with the hot water until dissolved
Add the room temperature water and juice and let cool to room temperature before using.
 

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Yes, the fact that he's passing waste material now is a good sign -- it will help get the infection from the other materials out of his little body.

You might want to offer him some millet spray soaked in electrolyte to help give him some energy to help the healing process.
I have millet spray - could you help me with what soaking in electrolyte is please Deb? I will do absolutely anything to help him! xxx Thank you xxx
 
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Sorry, I was editing my post below to give you a recipe as you were typing. (Please see my previous post)

Pedialyte is the brand name for an electrolyte liquid given to babies but you can use the recipe to make your own if you prefer.
 

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Sorry, I was editing my post below to give you a recipe as you were typing. (Please see my previous post)

Pedialyte is the brand name for an electrolyte liquid given to babies but you can use the recipe to make your own if you prefer.
I cant thank you enough for that, Have you tired this with your budgies before? x
 
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Jo Ann frequently recommends millet spray soaked in electrolyte when budgies are extremely ill.

I've given this recipe to others who did not have access to Pedialyte when it was needed but I have not had occasion to need it myself.

Pedialyte won't hurt Harley.
It helps replenish the electrolytes in the body which become depleted through vomiting and/or diarrhea.
 

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It seems like a good sign that after passing the lump his dropping's are looking more normal. I hope and will join you in prayer for Harley to be obstruction free and on the road to a weight gaining recovery...If you can get nutriberries where your at, most birds really like them and the sugar in them may be beneficial for him right now...:hug:
 

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I'm praying for little Harley! It sounds like Baytril is a good place to start and getting out the material will probably help him a lot. If he is puffed up a lot, you can offer him a heating pad or hot water bottle on half of his cage to keep him warm.

My own Sammy has problems eating bright metals, and he also likes to eat the cotton off of toys instead of just chewing. I only offer him paper, wooden, stainless steel, and plastic toys in his cage. I don't even give him toys that have a metal hook to hang the toy on the cage. He has a cotton perch that he plays with outside of the cage where I can supervise him. I am sure that by controlling what toys Harley has access to, that you will avoid a repeat attack in the future. :)

Oh, and you can ask the vet to do bloodwork to see if the eat other toys is a result of missing a vitamin or mineral, but if you give him probiotics and a very balanced diet, then that should help a lot.

Good luck!
 

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Todays Update

Hi all
Thank you all so much for your well wishes and concern

I took Harley to his appointment as scheduled and was expecting him to have his X - Ray, The lady who was attending to Harley had been on the phone to the top avian vet in this part of the country that quite a few people have spoken about.
considering the size of the fibres that has already shifted they want to hold fire with the x-ray today and see how he gets on over 48 hours (thankfully I am off work the next two days so I will be with him all the time) as The risk of giving sedatives is too high if he may of shifted what was already inside of him, she is basing it on the fact we now have to get rid of the bacteria's that was caused as a result.

I have a critical care solution for putting all the nutrients into his body, I have Bayril and a small amount of a medication that will aid shifting any foreign fibres that may still be inside.

Thankfully Harley has not stopped eating today! And I mean not stooped, He eats he goes back to sleep, he eats and goes back to sleep and so on ... I have made a homemade honey millet mix, egg to help put a bit of weight back, he has a treat basket too that hes been eating, he has has his medication and a small amount of the solution ... so today has been a good day.

Needless to say he is still very puffy and very thin, but solid stool (still a very dark brown ) and a huge appetite.

These next 48 hours I will be watching him like a hawk !

I have attached a few pics from today x


We had a long sleepy cuddle as hes still weak and puffy and needs a LOT of TLC



He ate bits of this but probably enough to what his tummy can handle for the day
Hes also ate Millet and some of his treat basket - which is an egg and honey based snack(More so this than anything else!)

His Sister Tilly is just the best, her concern for her brother and allowing him time to heal has been amazing <3
 

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I just saw this thread and I'm sorry your Harley hasn't been feeling well...:(
It really is scary how all of those fibres have build up on your boy's crop, this is just one of the reasons I don't use any kind of rope or cloth enveloped toys for my birds.
Hopefully he has gotten rid of all of the fibres and with your care and the medication, Harley is well on his way to a full recovery. It's a very good sign the increase in his appetite and you are giving him all the important nourishment (and love) he needs to pull through.

Budgies do know when their mates are sick and they do offer comfort to them, I have also experienced that over the years with my birds.
It's great that Tilly is being so sweet, caring and supportive of Harley, that will also play an important role in his recovery.
I remember my Mona offering extra heat to her mate Tito during his bouts of sickness and she would never leave his side.
The flock of 14 and I are praying for your boy to have a steady and full recovery. :hug:
 

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Thanks Aluz - it's a very scary time and I too join you in wishing my little guy a very speedy recovery - fingers and everything else crossed! Xxx
 
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