[krystof.chabrik]

Hey hey, Iam new here. I would absolutely love to get a pair of birds, and I have done tons and tons of research on their well-being, trust me. But one thing Iam still not sure about are cats. I own a cat, and I love him with everything I have, but I would love birds too. Just wandering if it's okay to get them, you could maybe say that it depends on the cat, but one can never really be sure. I also own a land turtle, and my cat was never hostile towards him, almost seeming scared of him. I know that I must keep the cat away from their cage, and don't let the birds out if the cat's in the room, but I also read that birds can get stressed if a predator is in the household. Any tips for that? Should I even get the birds?

 

[Sweety's mom]

No, please don't. There's really no way to keep the bird safe if a cat is in the house. And even if the cat does not stalk the bird, the bird still knows a predator is there.

 

[Cody]

A turtle and a cat is a lot different than a bird and a cat, birds are much more active and vocal and both those things make them attractive for a cat to go after, even if it is for a playful reason, imagine how terrified the bird would be😬
Say no to a bird and get another cat from a shelter that needs a home.🐱
Please read this Cats (and Dogs) are Predators // Birds are Prey

 

[karenblodgett3261]

I agree with Cody and Sweety's mom. Even in a cage, a bird is not safe from a cat since they can get their paws through the bars of the cage. When I was young we had two budgies who's cage was hanging six feet high from a hook in the ceiling. One of the cats managed to leap up, and apparently, snag a wing and pull it through the bars, killing the poor bird. Cats are predators (not bad, just a fact), and a bird is a prey animal. It is a deadly combination!

 

[krystof.chabrik]

You actually were nice about it, thank you tho. Can I ask, is there a way to test if the cat would be hostile towards the birds? (obviously other then getting the birds). Cause like, I would just love to get the birds, and I think they would be happy and content in my home, if it wasn't for the cat.

 

[StarlingWings]

Hi and welcome to the forums,

Good to see you're doing some research before just diving in and getting birds

To answer your question, the above posters are absolutely correct. As Cody mentioned, even if the cat wasn't hostile towards the birds at all, even the presence of a predator is enough to cause stress to budgies. Many members have cats on the forums but the best way to do that is to keep the budgies in a room where the cat is NEVER allowed. This is for not only the budgies's safety but additionally prevents the stress of having a predator around, even in the off chance that the cat doesn't initially seem too fussed about them.

So no, there's not really any way to "test" if a cat is hostile or not, since many cats will instinctually act a certain way around live birds that they won't in other situations. Additionally, even if for some reason you could determine that they aren't hostile towards the birds, as I mentioned, the stress on the budgies from being able to see and fear a cat is totally preventable and unnecessary.

Therefore, if you do get a cat, please make sure to never let the cat in the same room as the budgies and ensure the budgies are in their own cat-proof room

 

[karenblodgett3261]

You actually were nice about it, thank you tho. Can I ask, is there a way to test if the cat would be hostile towards the birds? (obviously other then getting the birds). Cause like, I would just love to get the birds, and I think they would be happy and content in my home, if it wasn't for the cat.

I wouldn't call a cat going after a bird to be hostile behavior. It's simply cat behavior. For this reason, a cat should never be punished for going after a bird. It's a cat being a cat. It's deeply impeded in their DNA. It would be like punishing someone for having curly hair. As was mentioned, having a cat (or dog) in the same room will stress the bird. A predator will stare intently at its prey. They can't help it. That's how they hunt. This sets off an instinctive fight or flight response. Incidentally, this is why when we look at our birds we blink slowly or shift our gaze away from them. Staring at our birds like that causes them to see us as a predator.

A mixed spieces household is possible, but as StarlingWings said, they should be in a room in which the cat is never, ever allowed in... even for a second! Also if the cat punctures a bird with a tooth or claw it can be deadly. You more than likely won't see a puncture wound as it would be masked by the feathers. Actually, puncture wounds are the most dangerous of all. A cut or laceration will bleed and and in effect wash away some of the contaminants. A puncture, will constrict at the surface of the skin retaining any pathogens that happen to be present within the body. It can be done but takes a HUGE amount of attentiveness on our part. My room mate has two cats. When I leave the room for more than a minute I latch the hook and eye lock that's installed about two feet from the floor. The lock at this height makes it harder for the cat to possibly push the lower part of the door open.

 

[krystof.chabrik]

I couldn't live with myself knowing that my stupidity or lack of research killed the birds. I have a cat now, and I would love to get the birds, so any tips for that are appreciated, even if it's not getting birds at all. If the cat wasn't ever allowed to the birb room would they sense his presence? I can't get them if they would be stressed all the time obviously. (Any tips for the cat/bird keeping welcome, also like new bird owner tips in general, thank you!)

Also, they will get stressed even if the cat isn't agressive right? They feel the predator's presence right?

 

[StarlingWings]

If they never see the cat, it will be just fine. The important part is ensuring you have necessary safety protocols in place to prevent the cat from ever being in the budgies' room. Extra door latches, ensuring their door is always closed, etc. is going to be an important habit to build if you want to keep budgies <3

 

[Cody]

If there are other people in your household they also must be aware of the rules and abide by them all the time.

 

[karenblodgett3261]

Two cats live in my house. They are never allowed in my room where my LoVey is. She does not seem to be effected by the cats being on the other side of the door. During free flight time, always keep the door locked on the inside. As Cody mentioned, other family members need to be aware of the rules, and if they want or need to enter the birds room they need to accept that you will, under no circumstances, open the door until birdy is safe in the cage. I will add that when you have a mixed spieces household, allowing your bird to be fully flighted (meaning not clipping the flight feathers), gives them a better chance should a face to face encounter with the cat take place. Being fully flighted allows them to escape to a location that is hopefully out of a cats reach. Another thing to bear in mind is the unique personality of the bird. My LoVey for example is very curious and to brave for her own good. I could imagine her thinking she could beat a cat in a fight. If your cat goes outdoors make sure you wash your hands and if the cat gets near your clothing change them before touching your bird or anything its in contact with, such as food dishes or toys etc. You never know what types of diseases might be picked up. This is something you should do even if there are no other animals in the home! One last thing to think about... Tragedies like a cat killing a bird only happen to other people; but to the rest of the world we are other people! Vigilance is key!

 

[ShleeTheRat]

My advice may be less practical and a little more realistic than some of the others but I would never trust any other cat but the one I've raised and loved her whole life which is my elderly 15 year old, Beep Beep. She was raised with and around rats for 10 years of her life so she's very desensitized to prey species movement, doesn’t even glance their way when she's on the way to the litterbox across the house! She sleeps 80% of the day and really only eats early in the morning before the birds are up and after they are already covered for the evening. If she's not eating or sleeping, she's in my lap getting pet. I'd also like to note that I'm a stay at home wife so I am always watching the birds during the day. If there's ever a reason I need to leave for more than a few hours I will make my plans for as close to birdie bed time as possible or the birds are put to bed early just for that day as I'm unable to keep a seperate room (like you absolutely should if you are planning to keep both prey and predator as pets). I think as long as you keep your animals separated as mentioned and stay vigilant with a healthy dose of common sense and the perspective of your prey pet in mind, it's very possible but it also comes with great risk. Risk you will have to assume responsibility for if something should happen. The easiest way to avoid that danger is to not create the situation it can thrive in. Just my two cents.

 

[Mr.Birdie]

My friends daughter has a cat and came home one day with two budgies. They didn’t last very long. The cat got to them while everyone was out of the house. It is in a cats nature to hunt and there is no way to change that. If you scold the cat for get to close to the bird, then that’s not fair to them. It’s like us having a chocolate bar on the top shelf of a bookcase and being told not to touch it.

 

[FaeryBee]

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