The 5 step program pretty much does it for me... Cleaning 5 bird cages (4, but the budgies have a double flight cage with 2 trays) has pretty much cured me lol. Also it's hard not having a lot of time for my existing flock including my beloved 22 year old favorite boy. I admit, I hate cleaning... I do it regularly and often enough for obvious reasons, but it is definitely NOT a chore that I look forward to. Doing the floor as well, and it can be a pretty time consuming duty with an otherwise busy life. I look at the birds and say "Guys! You're so dirty.. I just cleaned!" Sure, I love to fantasize about getting more and more one day.. more budgies and parrots but realistically I don't know! I'm not getting any younger either :laughing2:.