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I was just curious what mutation Butters (friends budgie I'm watching) was?

Ok, so she is lutino right?

But I was wondering, why is her feathers such a blotchy yellow? She has some area's that are white looking and others darker yellow. The majority is a mixture making a cream look overall, but then she also has an obvious (in real life) bright yellow to her forhead.

Pics of her, you can see the blotchy yellowness and she has a bright yellow on her forehead.



 

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i dont think butter is a true latino. she has to much yellow. she looks like a tiny princess to me those markings are lovely.
 

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no she isn't a lutino , I don't see red eyes - IF they are by chance red (fire engine red) she'd be a creamino (yellow face lutino) other wise I'm not sure

she's not a dark eyed clear she'd be pure yellow (canary yellow like a normal lutino) only she'd have normal dark eyes
 

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Then what is she?

She doesn't have red eyes, they are dark (and as far as I can tell) look like they will stay that way. They are the same as Lemon's.

She is not completely cream/yellow, she has white to her and the varying splotches/shades of yellow coloring.
 

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from the looks of it a Type 2 Yellow face

I'm going to go out on a limb and say she looks like she could possibly be a double factor spangle - Since she has no markings at all
 

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She is a type 2 yellow face and she is either a double factor spangle or a dark eyed clear. You will be able to tell which when she is mature, a double factor spangle will develop iris rings and a dark eyed clear will not. A bird the same colour that has red eyes would be a creamino (which is another name for a yellow face albino)
 

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WOW! I have the perfect mate for Butters! My Zippy looks almost exactly like her, only his coloring is more subtle, looking more white with just the tiniest hint of yellow in the body. Like Butter, he has a yellow face, brighter. Was told the same thing about his mutation as you have been. Aren't they just stunning looking birds???
 

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WOW! I have the perfect mate for Butters! My Zippy looks almost exactly like her, only his coloring is more subtle, looking more white with just the tiniest hint of yellow in the body. Like Butter, he has a yellow face, brighter. Was told the same thing about his mutation as you have been. Aren't they just stunning looking birds???
Just because the 2 birds look alike they may not be the same mutation. If one was a yellow face dark eyed clear and the other was a yellow face double factor spangle and they were bred together the chicks would be ordinary spangles and clearflight spangles. If one was a creamino the chicks would be different again. But if they were both the same mutation then the chicks would look like the parents
 

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Just because the 2 birds look alike they may not be the same mutation. If one was a yellow face dark eyed clear and the other was a yellow face double factor spangle and they were bred together the chicks would be ordinary spangles and clearflight spangles. If one was a creamino the chicks would be different again. But if they were both the same mutation then the chicks would look like the parents
Oh I know, I just can't get over how close in color they are. I went looking at Zippy, and the only easily noticed difference was in cere color with the lighting in the bird's room at the time, his yellow hue was coming out. too bad he absolutely hates the camera :(
 

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She is a type 2 yellow face and she is either a double factor spangle or a dark eyed clear. You will be able to tell which when she is mature, a double factor spangle will develop iris rings and a dark eyed clear will not. A bird the same colour that has red eyes would be a creamino (which is another name for a yellow face albino)
I've never heard of a double factor spangle! That's really neat!

Though from what I can tell, I think she might be a clear eyed dark bird. why doesn't that sound right when I write it? :S

whatever, but I say that because on all the other birds I've had that have change in their iris color, the flash shows a little light ring around the iris.

Like in Coconut (RIP), she was the same age as Lemon, very young, and she had a ring around the iris with the flash only., while lemon did not, and still does not.

Pic, Coconut on the right, blue/white.

 

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LOL! :p I don't think my friend would appreciate it if you bit into Butters! LOLOL! jk ;)

My friend is a big south park fan ;) Thus, Butters and Tweek :p hehe
 

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I say that because on all the other birds I've had that have change in their iris color, the flash shows a little light ring around the iris.

Like in Coconut (RIP), she was the same age as Lemon, very young, and she had a ring around the iris with the flash only., while lemon did not, and still does not.

Pic, Coconut on the right, blue/white.
The reason that Lemon has no iris ring and Coconut has one is because Lemon is a recessive pied and Coconut is a dominant pied. Mutations that have iris ring only develop them when they mature. Recessive pieds and dark eyed clears won't ever get iris rings
 

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The reason that Lemon has no iris ring and Coconut has one is because Lemon is a recessive pied and Coconut is a dominant pied. Mutations that have iris ring only develop them when they mature. Recessive pieds and dark eyed clears won't ever get iris rings
That was kinda my point. :p lol

I posted those because even as a baby the bird that will have an iris ring later shows up wtih flash, but butters does NOT show up with flash, like with Lemon who will never have lightened iris rings.

So, that's why I'm thinking Butters will Never have lightened iris ring like Lemon, and she is a dark eyed clear. :p
 

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her eyes are very red,,she scares me in the night,haha:D
is a cremino a sex-linked gene nev90 + atvchic95 because id love it if she were a boy..i assumed she was a girl because i thought she was a lutino???
 

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Yes creaminos are sex linked. It is the same mutation as lutino and albino, just combined with type 2 yellow face. A male of this mutation has a pink cere, the female's cere will go brown like normal females
 
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