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Male behaviour, misleading cere

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Hi! This is Minnow, and I got him believing he was female due to the colour of his cere. He has had a partial first moult, and I got him when he was maybe between 1 or 2 months this past June, so he should be over 6 months.

I know he is male, as a few months ago he has started trying to mount my late female budgie (putting his foot on her back to try and encourage her to accept, dominant head movements, being more vocal, ect.). Thing is, as his colouration is an olive or violet-green male, his cere resembles a young female's (white with hints of pink and blue), which I'm curious if this is a normal case for his breed? And is it bound to turn blue once he reaches breeding season for the first time, or is it a mutation? He's probably too young to tell, but I'm curious what anyone else thinks. Also would love some help with his proper breen colour name, as I dont know if olive budgies are suppose to have a blue and white vent area, like he does. So many questions with him hahaha.

He is also very small compared to my late female and other two male budgies, which has always been interesting to me.

Below are reference pictures, the first from the middle of June, and the latter being taken today.

Head Bird Beak Parrot Feather

Bird Parrot Beak Feather Wing

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Hello and welcome to the forums,

Minnow is beautiful and is definitely, without a doubt, a female budgie :) Behavior is not a good indicator of gender as females can become aggressive and hormonal and try to mount/harass other budgies regardless of gender. It seems that Minnow was bullying your other female quite frequently due to increased hormones. She is also definitely not too old to tell her gender for sure, as she has her irises and has had her first moult, indicating she is an adult budgie. She looks at least 7-8 weeks in the photo you posted; additionally budgies four weeks old are still too young to leave the nest. In the current photo she looks at least 8 months old which would be right in line with you getting her when she was at the very earliest 7-8 weeks old. Around 8-9 months budgies have generally had their first moult and show mostly adult plumage. Of course, there are exceptions to this, but your Minnow seems right in line with the typical milestones.

Additionally, blue around the vent is normal for many green series budgies. There are two cases in which it can be obvious; green budgies that are split to blue often have blue around their vents and green budgies with a violet factor also show bluish coloring around the vent as well. As I don't see any traces of violet on her (which usually can be seen around the ears) I would say she's split to blue. As she gets older the bluishness may fade, it does in some budgies.

Meanwhile, you've come to the best place to learn even more about the best of budgie care practices. Please be sure to read through the forums' many budgie articles and "stickies" on the forums to ensure you're up to date on the best of budgie care practices. If you have any questions after doing so, please be sure to ask as we'd love to help.

Is Minnow your only budgie now? Is she aggressive towards you or just other budgies?

We hope to hear more updates soon!

Best wishes 馃憢
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Hey, thanks for replying!

Oh wow, I wasnt expecting that haha. I had no idea females would try to mount other females? I thought for sure that was a sign they were male but I'll take your word for it 馃槼 I'm glad I asked about it now as to not get stuck on the idea that shes a male later on in the years. Thank you!

Thanks for the additional information! I was doing some digging lately and it was hard to find dorect answers, so I'm glad to get some insight here. I appreciate it. So would Minnow be a dark green variant, or and olive?

I'm also planning on changing her name to Meadow if this means she is definitely female now haha.

To answer your other questions, I have two other males (sexed by a vet so heres hoping thats correct) that live together in one cage, and originally had the three together but Minnow was far too aggressive and tried to bite limbs and feathers so I seperated her from the other two. Those two are at my parents house while Minnow stays with me to focus on hand taming. Considering how she reacted to them, I suppose she must have gotten terribly territorial 馃槶

I'll definitely check out those stickies, thanks! I'm eager to learn more!
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If you post pictures of each of the other budgies鈥 ceres we can confirm the genders for you.

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Sure! Here are the other two. White/blue is Penguin, and Yellow/Green is Griffon. They were rescued together from a hoarder and they have a very strong bond. Vet sexed them as male and according to the pinned posts here, seems to be right. I'm all game for corrections though in order to make whatever necessary changes.

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(Yellow female is my late Malibu, her legs were like this when she was very ill dealing with soft eggs in her abdominal cavity. She was terminal and spent her last days with me this October. She's a miracle bird all on her own and made it only to 5 years 馃槥 I miss her dearly)
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Yes, definitely both beautiful boys!

Malibu was very pretty as well, wha a fighter. I'm sorry for your loss 馃ズ
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Your boys are both VERY handsome! Thank you for sharing their pictures with us.
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