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ok so i'm trying to figure out what the different mutations and all that are...I know that my two budgies (on my profile you can see them) are yellow-based, yellow-face

but what i dont understand is the dark factor (DF) and grey-wing and clear-wing mutations and all that...so if some one could help, im just trying to be able to identify my own budgies myself and keep track of them on a family tree maker

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Best website to start learning (its where i started) is www.*************** when it loads scroll down to mutations, and click one of them and start reading about them :)

but to get you started Dark Factor means the bird has a dark factor - say the bird is sky blue there is no dark factor there That is the normal blue for budgies, then there is cobalt blue it has 1 Dark factor and its a few shades darker than Sky blue, then their is Mauve it has 2 dark factors and its a greyish- blue color ~ Mauve is often confused with Grey - the best way to tell them apart is the Cheek patches - Mauve Budgies have Violet Cheek patches - Grey budgies have Grey (some look silver) Cheek patches

in green series it would be
light green - no dark factor
Dark green - 1 dark factor
Olive - 2 dark factors

if a baby has a dark factor it just means it got it from 1 of if its parents if it has 2 dark factors then both parents gave it a dark factor

Grey wing - is recessive both parents have to carry the gene - either visually or split, or one visual and one split to get any The wing markings are a light grey instead of the normal black The cheek patches are light violet the tail is grey with a blue tinge

clearwings I'm still learning - its harder for me when I don't have them to work with
 

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ok so i'm trying to figure out what the different mutations and all that are...I know that my two budgies (on my profile you can see them) are yellow-based, yellow-face

but what i dont understand is the dark factor (DF) and grey-wing and clear-wing mutations and all that...so if some one could help, im just trying to be able to identify my own budgies myself and keep track of them on a family tree maker

thx
ATVChick posted a great site for colors and mutations: http://www.***************/colorsguide.html. Each mutation has a link to its genetics.

Barrie has great info, too.
Colors and mutations: http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars.com/coloursmutations.htm.
Genetics: http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars.com/simplegenetics2.htm and http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars.com/simplegenetics1.htm (I assume Barrie is quoting "our" Nev90 AKA Neville).

Dark factors: http://www.***************/colorsguide.html#darkfactor
Dilution (including greywing and clearwing): http://www.***************/colorsguide.html#dilution

Your **** bird is a normal light green and your hen is a dominant pied dark(?) green.
 

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I know that my two budgies (on my profile you can see them) are yellow-based, yellow-face
All yellow based budgies have a yellow face. Unless you know the parents you can't know if they carry the gene for yellow face that shows up in white/blue based budgies.
 

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you cant really tell in the photo but the hen has very little markings on the top of her wings and almost white flight feathers...so wouldn't that make her a clearflight pied? but she looks like a recessive pied...im so confused with her. BUT i do know that the **** is yellow-based, normal green with 1 dark factor.
 

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you cant really tell in the photo but the hen has very little markings on the top of her wings and almost white flight feathers...so wouldn't that make her a clearflight pied? but she looks like a recessive pied...im so confused with her. BUT i do know that the **** is yellow-based, normal green with 1 dark factor.
the female is recessive pied and she looks dark green as well - not all of them have markings on the Flight feathers doesn't always mean they're mixed with anything else - you'd know if you bred her to a non pied and got clear flight pied babies though

the male is Dark Green.
 

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A recessive pied with clearflight would be a DEC so if she's recessive pied she can't be clearflight.
 

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ok im starting to pick up on it...so their breeding now (but havent had any babies yet) so their babies would be dark green and might be recessive pied?
 

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ok im starting to pick up on it...so their breeding now (but havent had any babies yet) so their babies would be dark green and might be recessive pied?
only if your male is split to recessive pied will you get any visually, but if he's not then all the babies will be split to recessive pied
 

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Your **** bird is a normal light green
Your female is an opaline dominant pied dark green.

If you are having trouble understanding how genetics & the dark factor work here are a couple of links to where I have tried to explain them in a simplified way
http://www.talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=22668
http://www.talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=23230
ok i read it so i bought both of my budgies...so without getting them tested they could both be green/blue for all i know? is it possible that their babies could be blue budgies?
 

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ok i read it so i bought both of my budgies...so without getting them tested they could both be green/blue for all i know? is it possible that their babies could be blue budgies?
Since green is dominant to blue, your pair could only produce blue babies if both parents are split to blue.
 

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ok so lets say that my male normal light green is split to blue, and my female recessive pied light green is not, what would the possible mutations be?
 

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You need 2 copies of blue to make blue so your 1 green passing on 1 copy does nothing. You will just get a bunch of light greens. If the male does not carry recessive pied you won't see recessive pied either. You would have 100% light green normals with some being split to blue and/or recessive pied.

If your female is dark green instead of light green you would get 50% dark greens and 50% light greens.
 

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Your **** bird is a normal light green
Your female is an opaline dominant pied dark green.
ok so lets say that my male normal light green is split to blue, and my female recessive pied light green is not, what would the possible mutations be?
Your hen is not a recessive pied light green; she's an opaline dominant pied dark green.

If your normal light green **** bird is split to blue but your opaline dominant pied dark green hen is not split to blue, then 1/2 the chicks will be normal light green or dark green and 1/2 the chicks will be dominant pied light green or dark green (see http://www.***************/gen_dompied.html). Since your hen is opaline, which is a sex-linked gene, then all the male chicks will be normal or dominant pied split to opaline and all the female chicks will be normal or dominant pied not split to opaline (see http://www.***************/gen_opaline.html). If the **** bird were opaline, the chicks' results would be different.
 

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ok so lets say that my male normal light green is split to blue, and my female recessive pied light green is not, what would the possible mutations be?
As Susan has pointed out your hen is not recessive pied.

If both birds are split for blue you could expect 25% blue chicks but if one is not split all the chicks will be green series.

A normal mated to a dominant pied will produce 50% normal & 50% dominant pied
 
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