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Hello, meet Hrumchyk. Its my first budgie, what do you say about organisation of his cage, is it ok?


Locks for the kids, just in case )
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The cage is quite small are you planning on letting him out of the cage? How old are your kids, if they are very young they may not understand what they should not do , like bang on the cage, yell at the bird etc. Take a look at this Essentials to a Great Cage
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Hi, Welcome to Talk Budgies!

Hrumchyk is very cute.
The minimum size cage recommended for one budgie is 30" (76 cm) Long x 18" (46 cm) Wide x (46 cm) High
Budgies fly laterally so the cage needs to be longer so Hrumchyk can move around more easily.

He definitely should have a swing .

I recommend you remove the wooden dowel perches in the cage and replace them with natural wooden perches of varying diameters to help prevent pressure sores.
Pressure Sores
Bumblefoot
The information in this link will give examples of better options for perches:
Essentials for a Great Cage

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Safe Foods for Budgies
The Truth about GRIT

Be Prepared for Veterinary Care Expense
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Do you know what type of metal the locks are made of? There are zip ties that can be opened and closed that require enough dexterity that it might be tricky for a small child to undo. Another advantage being that if you need to get to him quickly, a strong pair of scissors would cut them 😊.
If you do get a larger cage as recommended, don't get rid of this one. It's a great size for travel to the vets etc. He's just beyond cute!
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The cage is quite small are you planning on letting him out of the cage? How old are your kids, if they are very young they may not understand what they should not do , like bang on the cage, yell at the bird etc. Take a look at this Essentials to a Great Cage
Hi, thanks for answer! Yes, i want to letting him our of the cage for 30 or 60 minut per day in safe room while supervised and when i tame him (i hope i can tame him) they are 3 and 6, i don't let them touch the cage to not frightened bird, but they make much noise, its must be hard for Hrumchik :( i explane to older how we must have budgie trust and tame him with patience, so it is easer with him

Hi, Welcome to Talk Budgies!

Hrumchyk is very cute.
The minimum size cage recommended for one budgie is 30" (76 cm) Long x 18" (46 cm) Wide x (46 cm) High
Budgies fly laterally so the cage needs to be longer so Hrumchyk can move around more easily.

He definitely should have a swing .

I recommend you remove the wooden dowel perches in the cage and replace them with natural wooden perches of varying diameters to help prevent pressure sores.
Pressure Sores
Bumblefoot
The information in this link will give examples of better options for perches:
Essentials for a Great Cage

The purpose of this forum is to promote the BEST PRACTICES in the care of budgies for their optimal Health and Well-Being

Locating an Avian Veterinarian

If it is your only option, you can always utilize the services of an on-line Avian Veterinarian no matter where you are located:
Ask an avian vet - get bird care answers ASAP
Appointments, consultations, phone, skype, iChat, e-mail - Budgie Health
Just Answer Veterinarian for Birds

Please take the time to read through the Site Guidelines, the FAQs, the Budgie Articles and all of the Stickies located at the top of each section of the forum.
Additionally, please be sure to read the thread "Posting on the Forums" which is linked below.

Truly, the very BEST advice anyone can offer you is to take the time to read ALL of the stickies throughout the various Talk Budgie forums as well as the Budgie Articles we have posted.
(Stickies are threads “stuck” at the top of each forum sub-section)
These are great resources for Talk Budgie members and have a wealth of reliable information which will assist you to learn the best practices in caring for your budgies for their optimal health and well-being.


Navigating the Forums
SITE GUIDELINES
Posting on the Forums
Let's Talk Budgies!
FAQ
Articles

When you have mixed genders, it is very important to do everything necessary to prevent breeding.
Budgies are much healthier and happier when they are never bred.


A Heartfelt Plea to All Members
Tips For Discouraging Breeding
Before You Ever Consider Breeding Your Budgies
Guidance for Breeding Advice Threads

A Healthy Diet for your Budgie
Quality Seed Mix
CuttleBones, Mineral Blocks and Manu Clay Roses
Safe Foods for Budgies
The Truth about GRIT

Be Prepared for Veterinary Care Expense
Avian First Aid
Quarantine - Is it Really that Important?
Quarantine Your Birds
Essentials to a Great Cage
Cage sizes.
Dangers to Pet Birds
Resource Directory


Nice to have you with us. If you have questions after reading everything, please let us know.
Hi, thanks for reply, there so much usefull links. I want to make him branch from 2 dry branches of white willow. I removed the bark and polished it with sanpaper, wash and place it to freezer for 48 hours. Did i do it right? How to attach it to cage? It will be nice to have right size cage for him later when i can afford it, thanks for links and recomendation about the right type. The upper branch are swing. Did i need for him also mineral branch?

Do you know what type of metal the locks are made of? There are zip ties that can be opened and closed that require enough dexterity that it might be tricky for a small child to undo. Another advantage being that if you need to get to him quickly, a strong pair of scissors would cut them 😊.
If you do get a larger cage as recommended, don't get rid of this one. It's a great size for travel to the vets etc. He's just beyond cute!
No, i don't know :( What are those zip ties, i don't understand. Hrumchyk for now don't chewing it, did it anyway can be bad for him? Thanks )
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The preparation of the willow branches you intend to use as perches is fine.
I use boiling water to clean the wood, then put the branches in an oven on 250 degrees Fahrenheit for an hour.

The information in these links will give you the information you need in answer to the questions you asked.


Safe and Toxic Wood for Budgies

CuttleBones, Mineral Blocks and Manu Clay Roses

Essentials to a Great Cage

Heavy Metal Poisoning


These are "Cable Ties" or "Zip Ties" They are made of plastic.
Depending on how you thread the end into the locking mechanism, you can have them completely locked
or you can do them so they can be removed and reused.


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Hi: that's a cute little one!
Excellent advice above, and I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here. The following is covered in the various stickies linked to be FaeryBee, but it's easy to overlook some details with all the info on a first read through: if you have a mirror in the cage (and it looks like there is one there but it's hard to tell), please consider removing it, mirrors can lead to issues later on. Enjoy your little one and take care! :)
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Is Hrumchyk kept in the kitchen, because I think those are fridge magnets :geek: It's safer for them to be kept away from the kitchen as there's less bad smells and fumes to hurt them. Hrumchyk looks extremely cute and curious.

Also, I am sure Hrumchyk will get used to the noises your family makes. As long as you give enough quiet time for the bird to sleep peacefully during the night, it's okay. As time goes on, the noises will become something Hrumchyk is used to and hopefully it won't scare them as much.
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Yes, its kitchen. There place when i did not let the cat in and there he can have more interaction with us. I don't sure i can supervise him in another room and my kids don't let the cat in. And i can't lock one room for him. I pay attention to not overheat nonstick pan and use hood over the stove. How can i made the kitchen more safe for him? For now cat see him from distant and cat looked scared of him. I didn't want that cat and budgie meet each other, even looked on each other. The kithen also office for husband, so there most supervised room in home

Hi: that's a cute little one!
Excellent advice above, and I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here. The following is covered in the various stickies linked to be FaeryBee, but it's easy to overlook some details with all the info on a first read through: if you have a mirror in the cage (and it looks like there is one there but it's hard to tell), please consider removing it, mirrors can lead to issues later on. Enjoy your little one and take care! :)
Thanks, Hrumchyk here just several days but we already loved him :) No, there is no mirrors
I don't think I saw anyone else mention this yet....but when I made the picture big enough to see on my computer, I can see that the paint is missing in several places on the cage and it looks like rust is developing. Is that right or does it just look that way in the picture? The kind of paint they use on these cages is great and does prevent rust, however once the paint is chipped or missing anywhere the cage bars will rust in that area.

Rust is dangerous for birds so I hope you can get a new cage with intact paint. He's super cute, welcome to the community!
Yes, this is second hand cage, there rust. So i need new cage for him, better bigger, and better not in kitchen :( Can i let closed cage unsupervised and closed with a cat?
I want to take the time to say thank you for being such a considerate person, Hrumchyk is a lucky little bird to have you looking after him.

A new cage would be better, as long as it doesn't have rust. Bigger would be good as Hrumchyk would have the space to fly and play. If you keep him in the kitchen, all it takes is one little accident and he could die. My sister came to visit me a few weeks ago, and I could smell burning coming from the kitchen, when I rushed in, I saw she was smoking a nonstick pan and I became very angry with her. Thankfully, my birds weren't hurt, but if they were in the kitchen, I imagine they would have died. So it depends on the risk you are willing to take and if you are 100% sure that no one will ever burn things or make a nonstick pan smoke.

With the cat, you can never leave the bird unsupervised unfortunately :( the cat could put the claws in the cage and really hurt Hrumchyk, especially if Hrumchyk is curious. It has happened many times on this forum where a cat has killed or seriously hurt a bird even though the bird was locked in the cage.

All the best, Oliagub! I look forward to the pictures of Hrumchyk happy and healthy in the future.
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I want to take the time to say thank you for being such a considerate person, Hrumchyk is a lucky little bird to have you looking after him.

A new cage would be better, as long as it doesn't have rust. Bigger would be good as Hrumchyk would have the space to fly and play. If you keep him in the kitchen, all it takes is one little accident and he could die. My sister came to visit me a few weeks ago, and I could smell burning coming from the kitchen, when I rushed in, I saw she was smoking a nonstick pan and I became very angry with her. Thankfully, my birds weren't hurt, but if they were in the kitchen, I imagine they would have died. So it depends on the risk you are willing to take and if you are 100% sure that no one will ever burn things or make a nonstick pan smoke.

With the cat, you can never leave the bird unsupervised unfortunately :( the cat could put the claws in the cage and really hurt Hrumchyk, especially if Hrumchyk is curious. It has happened many times on this forum where a cat has killed or seriously hurt a bird even though the bird was locked in the cage.

All the best, Oliagub! I look forward to the pictures of Hrumchyk happy and healthy in the future.
Thanks for explanation. So my combination cat+bird+kids is no best. I glad that i only person that cook at home. And this forum and its community is best )
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Hello and welcome.
Such a cutie you have there.

I can say from my experience that kids can learn very fast with animals. My daughter was 8 years old when we got jim and pan, we had strict rules when it came to the birds, we established "quiet zones" and she understood why such rules are necessary same with my mother's dog when she was 4 (I must add, maybe there is less testing the rules bounds, if there is a chance of biting, never did, but she knew). A few rules where broken over time (like feeding the birds without me) and they love her. My Jim is very shy and he always comes to her when she reads on the sofa, now.
Well... Now... They always liked her best.

But with the cat, I wouldn't allow them ever to be in the same room. Cats are so quick and birds are so fragile. I wouldn't risk it even supervised.
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What do you think about this type of cage? What would be beter?
First 47×30x62cm, second 48×31×51cm

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Both these cages are still too small, please read the info in these links :
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What about this two, what better?

First 78×46×46cm, second78×48×50,5cm,
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These are a better size than the first ones you showed. The bigger the better!

Regarding your question about cats being in a room with a bird secured it it's cage; that can still pose a danger. A bird being a prey animal will know a predator is nearby and feel stressed. More importantly, when I was young, we had two budgies in a cage, hung on a hook in the ceiling. One of the cats managed to leap up, slip its paw through the bars, and kill the bird. The safest option is a door between your birds and cat(s)/dog(s). Granted, there's a chance nothing will happen, but if it does, it can't be undone.

Thank you for asking questions and being willing to do what you have to to ensure your new little friend is safe and happy!
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If the second cage has a pull out tray for cleaning, then that is the one I would choose.
I know the first cage does not have a pull-out tray.

Cats and Dogs are Predators - Birds are Prey

If you keep the cage in the kitchen, you must be sure your budgie is NEVER out of the cage when any cooking is being done.
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If the second cage has a pull out tray for cleaning, then that is the one I would choose.
I know the first cage does not have a pull-out tray.

Cats and Dogs are Predators - Birds are Prey

If you keep the cage in the kitchen, you must be sure your budgie is NEVER out of the cage when any cooking is being done.
I wrote this question to the sellers, they said that both have pull-out tray. Do you sure that first dosn't have it? For me the second too looks more convinient. What about perches? I will need to replace them?
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