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I've adopted a new budgie but training went out the window due to mite treatment.

So My mum came home with a budgie a few months ago. Some ladies brought him there in a box as they found him stuck in a bus shelter. RSPCA wouldn't come so my mum took him in as we had seeds for my cockatiel. We kept him :)
The problem is that I was getting on with training for a little while until his vet appointment where I was told to treat him for mites. I now have to catch him to put droplets on him every 2 weeks and clean his nose with a cotton bud every few days. He won't go near my hands now.

Is there any way to work around this while having to handle him every 3 days? If not, is there any hope for when it's over? It's taking a few months. What's worse is that my other bird has a phobia of hands (due to my dad telling me as a kid that we should chase and catch the bird :/) So I think my budgie my learn this behaviour from my cockatiel.
 

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Welcome to talk budgies. Good job on taking the little budgie in. Are you using gloves or a handtowel when you catch him ? Most mite treatments are drops behind the neck once and then maybe again a couple week's later. Does this bird have a particularly bad case or is it just the type of medication that requires every three day's ? I wouldn't lose hope, you will still be able to make friends with him when this is over....:)
 

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Hi and :welcome: to Talk Budgies!

I'm glad you rescued the little budgie and are taking good care of him.
How much longer do you have to go with his treatment for the mites?

Talk to him calmly and reassuringly whenever you have to hold him to clean his beak.
What are you using on it?

You can start working with your budgie to help him learn to trust you even while you are doing the treatment. You can do this by sitting next to his cage every day and talking, singing or reading to him for 10-15 minutes 3 or 4 times a day.
Rest your hand on the outside of the cage when you do this.

Once all the treatment for the mites has been completed, continue your daily sessions but simply rest your hand inside his cage when you sit and talk, sing or read to him.
Don't move your hand or try to touch him.
Just let him see that the hand can be close to him without "grabbing" him. ;)

After a few days, you can begin offering him some seeds or millet -- see if he will come over to your hand to get it.

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Thanks for the welcome :) Sharpie (Budgie) did have it very badly, I was actually quite scared for him at first but it's cleared up a lot now :) The droplets are over now But as for the cleaning- I need to wash the affected areas with warm water every 2/3 days and with some liquid medicine every 2 weeks (I can't remember the name)

It's probably a good idea for him to be around my hands so he can learn they wont always grab him at least :p I do pick him up with my hands as I'm so used to my cockatiels size, it makes picking up Sharpie difficult for me. He's so light and tiny that I can barely feel him, even with a really thin tea towel. I think he's still a bit young and the edges of his eye are grey and he seems to have grown since he first arrived

And thanks for the links, I'll look through them :)
 

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It's great that the treatment sounds like it's working! :D Like Deb has said, talk to him in a soothing and reassuring voice while you are applying the medicine to help calm him down. I'm positive that you will become great friends once the treatment is over with a lot of patience and time! :D
 

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I don't know how to sex my budgie due to mites.

I've had my budgie for about half a year now. He was found on the street and my mum was the only person who had bird feed at home. He has had scaly face mites the whole time, the vets I saw kept giving me treatment that wasn't quite right due to me having 2 birds but it looks like they should fully recover this time :)
The thing is I think my budgie was less than a year when I got him due to his dark eyes (He's yellow so no bars). I've never been able to see much of his cere. I usually see pale(ish) blue or purple on the patches I sometimes see. I know girls can get blue spots though and I never see anything that bright.

We refer to the bird as a he for now :) He does tend to sing and he bobs his head every now and then which I think indicates that he is a he. He likes to chew on his rope toys though. He also chews paper but I think that he's copying my cockatiel. He copies my cockatiel a lot.

I'm worried that the mites may leave some sort of mark that may make it hard to 100% sex him :s I was to get him a budgie friend when he is better but I don't want babies :p I've had my cockatiel for 9 years so I know how to care for a bird and have done research but I am still new to budgies.
 

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My first question to you is are you seeing an AVIAN vet for your budgie?

There is no reason a budgie should have mites for 6 months unless the vet was unaware you had two birds and the budgies were reinfecting one another. Were both birds treated for mites at the same time?
Was the cage, perches and toys all properly cleaned and disinfected along with the treatment for the mites?

Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment. This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recover than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

Would you please post a picture of your budgie's cere taken full-frontal, close-up in natural light?

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If you post a picture as requested, we will most likely be able to help you determine your budgie's gender.

You should not allow your budgie to chew on a cotton rope toy.
Ingesting of cotton fibers can lead to impaction of the crop.

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Hi there! :)

Behaviour really isn't an accurate indicator of gender, because depending on personality there are males who are more reserved and shy and females who are very outgoing and can carry a tune quite well.

Did you take your budgie to a specialized avian vet? I find it strange that after 6 months the mites still haven't completely clear up. Did you wash and disinfect the whole cage and accessories after each mite treatment? That will be helpful in terms of preventing a re-infestation from the mites.

The only sure way of telling gender is by seeing the cere colour. You could post a photo so that we can take a look or wait for the cere to clear up more from the mites and then post a pic on the Sexing Budgies section.
 

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Are you able to upload a picture and someone might be able to tell you for certain about the sex of the budgie.

When you treated him for SFM, did you clean *everything* in the cage out as well? All perches, toys and any places outside of the cage should have been thoroughly cleaned to stop mites from returning. This might have hampered you in your quest to help him/her.
Having two birds shouldn't have affected the treatment as far as I can guess. Do they share a cage, or space outside of the cage? If so, you might want to make sure the cockatiel is also treated or you may get in a vicious circle with treatment here.

Be careful with his rope toy that he isn't ingesting fibres as this can be very dangerous (and watch the cockatiel too). If it's becoming frayed, you should remove it from the cage and only let them on it when you are supervising them. If they still chew it, you need to throw it out. :) Chewing the paper is fine. You can also get them some toys, such as kabobs which birds love to shred.

If you have a boy, another boy would be perfect. Just hold off until you are 100% certain that the mites have cleared. :)
 

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Sounds like a lovely little bird and I'm sure the gender identity will be solved soon...:)
 

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I am with the others - how come he still has mites :S
The anti mite medication is usually pretty successful in treating mites.
Anyway, can you post some pictures of your budgie and cockatiel?
 

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Everyone has given great advice--I hope an avian vet can give you the correct treatment and suggestions for dealing with such an infectious case of mites.

All birds who have come into contact with the infected budgie will also have to be treated, as mentioned, and disinfecting everything every day will help to stop them from coming back.

Best of luck--please let us know how their treatment continues after you've seen an avian vet.
 

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Thank you for the responses :) I'm going to a regular vet who do treat birds. It's been made clear that only one really knows much about birds. I saw a good vet who treated Sharpie and at the time Lucky wasn't affected yet. The next few I saw either gave Lucky the wrong treatment or insisted I didn't need to treat the other. They told me that the 2 birds could both fly in my room as long as they didn't contact. urgh. I saw the original vet a few weeks ago and she pointed out all their mistakes, gave me the correct dosages, and showed me on her computer, where they went wrong.

I've taken away the rope that Sharpie chews on :) I bought him a new chew toy from pets at home a week ago anyway.

I was cleaning regularly but I'm now using a spray for mites too.

This is Sharpie. I think the blue is a tiny bit more pale than it should be. (His nose is also very clear :)
http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/A... Cere Close Up 2_zpsfmcih3qx.jpg.html?filters[user]=144575034&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=1

And this is Lucky.
http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/A... Cere Close Up 2_zpszz11yv2j.jpg.html?filters[user]=144575034&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0

Both pictures are really cropped as I realised I'm in the background in my PJs :p Neither are hand trained which is why they are being held. After all the treatment, they don't like being held any more :/
Did I miss anything?

I posted URLs instead of IMGs
Lucky


Sharpie
 

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I'm seeing a very pale bluish mingled with white cere on your Sharpie making me believe that you have a budgie girl there.
 

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I don't know if it matters because the blue is still somewhat pale but there isn't any white on him. The camera just looks like there is. I did take it in natural light :p
 

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I don't know if it matters because the blue is still somewhat pale but there isn't any white on him. The camera just looks like there is. I did take it in natural light :p
Your budgie by now is an adult, since the irises on the eyes are fully white and developed.
An adult male of a normal colour mutation will have a deep and rich royal blue colour on the cere and this is something I'm not seeing on your Sharpie.

What colour are your budgie's eyes? From the pic I'm unable to tell if they are red (indicating Sharpie is a creamino budgie) or not.
 

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His eyes are dark red
Then your budgie is a creamino (yellow face or golden face albino).
Male budgies of this colour mutation won't get the royal blue coloured ceres upon reaching maturity. They will keep the immature deep pinkish/purplish colour on their ceres. These ceres will also have a translucent see through quality on males.
From the photo you posted, I'm not seeing these characteristics, I see a pale whitish coloured cere with some pale blue.
 

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So my budgie and cockatiel have scaly face mites. The treatment was working but never fully got rid of the mites. I was told that they are most likely getting re-infested (and a previous vet that I saw told me to give my cockatiels a way too low dose).
So I've taken out all of their wooden toys and perches as well as anything that I think the mites could hang on to. So my birds are temporarily living with plastic and metal homes only right now.

As for the wooden toys and perches- Is there a time that they could be safely put back? I was told that mites don't live for long when not on a bird. So would it be safe to put their wooden toys back after a month of no mites? A lot of their toys are fairly new and some were pricey. My budgies favourite toys are the wooden ones too. I've tried looking up what a mites life span is but I can't find anything.
I don't see why it wouldn't be safe but there may be something I don't know of.
Thanks :)
 
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