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Hey everybody! First of all sorry for my poor English skills...

Is been a long time, but here I am, asking another question and opinions from this nice helpful community we have here.

Slightly more than 2 years ago we (you) discovered that my poor budgie was suffering in liver disease and fortunately the tea (dandelion root, milk thistle) you recommended me is curing the disease quite well. I give them tea every other day and raw food often enough. We have to trim her nails and beak often, some dark spots appear but later disappear in her beak, but overall she is feeling well.
Here is the original link to the topic: http://talkbudgies.com/diseases-illnesses/308466-dark-spots-beak-nails.html

Now what is strange is some of her feathers...they grow strangely and I can not decide what they are in the lack of any type of avian vets or vets in general who have any idea of birds in my area. I post you some images. Hopefully we can figure it out if is another disease or is caused by that ugly liver issue...

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I was unable to take clearer pictures so I linked a bunch of them...
This was a tail feather that fall out just today...now another one...the one that grows under the main tail feathers:

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http://https://postimg.org/image/svffmboov/

And here is she now...She is moulting right now...
On this image you can also actually see she has something with her rear finger and fingernail or claw...
Is interesting and I've just discovered like a month ago that she can not move that rear finger on her left leg, and the talon or fingernail is attached to in from a higher degree than normal. I spend so so much time with them and I never saw her to show any signs of this injury or what it is really...

http://postimg.org/image/5jmqjhl1b/

and here together with our other female budgie who has splayed left legs and doe to a fall behind a wardrobe years ago she also had a broken finger :(
(They can fly free in the room almost all the time, and doe to the splayed leg when she is flying that splayed leg is kind of in the way of the swinging wing..so she never was the best flying budgie...but I never wanted to cage her in and keep here closed all the time. She is still flying a time or two/day but sometimes she does not come out from the cage at all. It depends on her mood).
That finger healed long ago but she can't use that well anymore unfortunately.

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Welcome back to the forums,

It's good that you have been able to control your budgie's liver disease so far and she has been doing well.
It's true that feathers can lose their vibrancy and strength and become weak over time, poor feather quality is also unfortunately linked to liver disease.

If your budgie isn't overpreening her feathers, then you can attribute the poor feather condition to the fatty liver disease.
Since foods rich in protein are to be limited in your budgie's case, maybe a good moulting supplement in the form a tonic or powder or even vitamins can hopefully help in improving the condition of your budgie's plumage.

As for your other budgie, it would be good to add at least a couple of flat platform perches on her cage so that she can better rest her legs.
You can also strategically position flat perches or set up a handicap-friendly play area when she has out of cage time in.
Limiting the flight area when she has out of cage time and completely bird proofing the room can also prevent her from crash landing and hurting herself further.
 

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Hey aluz and FaeryBee. Thanks for the quick reply.

Yes I started to give them some vitamins, Promotor ,,43'' made in Spain, Barcelona exactly, which contains a bunch of different vitamins like A D3 E K3 B1,2,6,12 etc...So hopefully this will help.

Regardless to my splayed legged budgie I think she can rest well on the place she is but I am sure there is always a way to make it better indeed.
Her cage is a flat roofed rodent cage in fact with a flat grid platform transformed totally to bird cage.
Aluz please send me a link to check what you mean by flat handicap friendly platform since I was unable to find on internet.
Meanwhile here are some pictures of the splayed legged budgie...The first one was taken a few minutes ago. She is resting :)
The rest images are older

https://postimg.org/image/eqe7y951b/

This is her ,,normal'' leg with the broken healed finger (rear finger at the root has a strange courviture...that's the spot)

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https://postimg.org/image/i27xdt7en/

https://postimg.org/image/uv0mrh8e7/

https://postimg.org/image/5di87vqnz/

https://postimg.org/image/mgl03e7cv/

In the last image we got some old cocktails, one of them passed away unfortunately by a stroke, the other had a huuge huge swollen right leg for unknown reasons.
They lived they whole lives in a small cage but now is replaced to a bigger one...and doe to a new type of feeder, her swollen leg got injured even further and before we realized a deep deep wound formed inside her knee joint...We also treated that parrot with parasinus in water and some ointment recommended by vet but again...they aren't really treating birds like at all in this country...Now we give him vitamins and using ointment twice a day.
Some pictures of her ugly leg (the wound is not visible because is standing on it, but is not a living wound from outside) and the feeder that I tie soft papers on (the plastic part which caused the wound) every day to keep it more comfortable and clean and prevent the aggravation of injury.

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The problem with this bird is that he's really old now...I don't know exactly but is like 21+ years and he is healing very very slowly...I don't even care if his joint will be destroyed but the wound should finally heal and that way the pain will flee away hopefully but as I said...it takes long doe to bird's age and the deep deep wound. Her pain was so much worse before doe so I am happy at least I see some healing.

Looks like we only have handicapped birds, but we have at least 1 young totally healthy bird :)

https://postimg.org/image/tinj3c0cf/

https://postimg.org/image/4154jqim7/

I think we do everything is on us really...is a real procedure to treat all birds every day :)
 

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Here are some links to give you ideas regarding platform perches.
They would be very easy for you to make yourself using wood that is safe for budgies:

https://www.amazon.com/Govine-Set-2...490714088&sr=8-2&keywords=platform+bird+perch

https://www.amazon.com/Littlepiano-...490714088&sr=8-6&keywords=platform+bird+perch

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...r+parrots&tbm=shop&*&spd=12764039632240930578

Flat perch double feeding platform, Nevis, natural wood parrot perches, small, medium, bird perches, large, extra-large perches for parrots

Also, I'd suggest taking a look at this link.
It would be good for you to replace some of the wooden dowlels in your birds' cages with natural wood perches of varying diameters. ;)

http://talkbudgies.com/housing-budgies/31719-essentials-great-cage.html

 

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I will find a way to upgrade the cage definitely. Our pet shops does not offer a large number of budgie tools, but I will check the online store soon. Some nice suggestions and links. I really appreciate it. :budge: :)
 

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You are most welcome.

It's wonderful that you are doing everything you can to ensure your handicapped birds have the best possible lives you can give them. Thank you for that. :hug:
Thanks FaeryBee...
Is kind of ironic, but yet again I have some questions...
Since my bird is moulting (that's why I could show you these bad quality feathers) it looks like she got cold...Now I never keep her in cold or exposed to flowing air but she is getting more and more naked every year while moulting since we discovered that liver disease...

So basically my question is hearing that snotty sound when my bird breathing, and sometimes breading heavily is clearly the sign of that she got cold?
She even sneeze quite often...she feels like that since 3 days now...I keep her cage covered most of the time and I steam her with salted water next to the cage a few times/day...I give her vitamins (and tea of course)
They got cold other times before, but their noose got wet when they sneezed back than which is not present in her case right now...
Any advices I could do?
Thanks again!
 

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It sounds as though your budgie has a respiratory infection.

She needs to be properly diagnosed by in order to receive the necessary treatment.

In the meantime, to help with respiratory issues, you can put your budgie's cage in the bathroom when you run hot water through the shower so the cage is in the hot steamy air -- that will help open the airways.

Another option is to tent the cage with a sheet and place a pot or kettle of boiling water under the sheet where your budgie is unable to touch it and allow the steam to accumulate that way. If you have pure eucalyptus oil, you can put one tiny drop into the water as that will also help to clear the airways so the budgie is better able to breathe.

Using a warm mist humidifier in the room with your budgies is a great way to help ease breathing problems.

Since your budgie is not growing her feathers back when she is molting, it is important you ensure she stays warm enough at all times.
 

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It sounds as though your budgie has a respiratory infection.

She needs to be properly diagnosed by in order to receive the necessary treatment.

In the meantime, to help with respiratory issues, you can put your budgie's cage in the bathroom when you run hot water through the shower so the cage is in the hot steamy air -- that will help open the airways.

Another option is to tent the cage with a sheet and place a pot or kettle of boiling water under the sheet where your budgie is unable to touch it and allow the steam to accumulate that way. If you have pure eucalyptus oil, you can put one tiny drop into the water as that will also help to clear the airways so the budgie is better able to breathe.

Using a warm mist humidifier in the room with your budgies is a great way to help ease breathing problems.

Since your budgie is not growing her feathers back when she is molting, it is important you ensure she stays warm enough at all times.
Yes true I have to be more cautious in this regard in the future...I just have not expected this to happen...Yes I am steaming her with the salted boiling water covered with cloth (placed outside of her cage)and she is feeling better after...I hope is not another evil infection stuff... Thanks a lot once again!! :blue lovie:Take care all.
 
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