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Ok for starters- I do not colony breed, I only Cage Breed 1 Pair per cage- So I know who the parents are I just thought I had their mutations down pat or at least for the visuals

but I thought this baby was dominant pied- Actually it just dawned on me last night she has no clear band - I was just going by wings- and parents Mom is dominant Pied, Dad is Double Factor Dominant pied

I however am Starting to think she's clear flight pied - if so i'm 85% sure it came from dad But I've only bred dad to this mate, and I've never got any normal's Which I wasn't expecting since both were Dominant pied I was only expecting Single factor Dominant Pied and Double Factor Dominant Pied.

But right now he is set up with a Visual normal (splits are not known I have never bred her but where i got her had tons of Recessive pied so most likely she's split to recessive pied - but they haven't even started to breed yet so we'll see later on that!)

what I want to know is this
Is this baby Clear Flight pied OR just a poorly marked Dominant Pied? Also what is the chances of this baby being a DF Yellow face - the ones that are actually yellow face but look like normal white faces since BOTH parents are Yellow face mom being type 1 dad being either type 2 or Golden face( pretty sure he is golden face) I can't remember the percentages of an outcome for this scenario I know she can also just be a Normal white face w/out the yellow face at all.

The baby in question - she was hatched 9-21-11 and was raised by English Budgies she was an unexpected 3rd clutch and I wasn't allowing her mom to have a 3rd one Thought I removed dad in time but didn't.













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Mom - Yf Dominant Pied Violet Sky blue
Belly shot - she was showing off for the camera today




the dad - Bandit - Who i thought was just a Double Factor Dominant Pied (well in he Pied section I know the rest lol)



 

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Any thing from the experts?? Is she a Dominant Pied that is poorly marked - or is she a clear flight pied?
 

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I have no idea but I think this picture if hilarious :)
LOL I did too and she kept doing it over and over but thats the only one that came out good I was using my smaller camera which takes forever To load back up after you take a pic Before you can take another one so i missed out on good shots but at least i got 1 good belly shot and in all these years I never realized her belly band looked like that Kind of like a T :p but then again thats the only time I've really got to see her belly that well :p
 

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His coloring and clear flights are just like my Nicky who is pied and has a perfect white patch.
Looks like his little white patch is a little almost not there but sort of kind of isn't. :S Will the patch get bigger or is that it?

I love that upside down crazy budgie. :)
 

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His coloring and clear flights are just like my Nicky who is pied and has a perfect white patch.
Looks like his little white patch is a little almost not there but sort of kind of isn't. :S Will the patch get bigger or is that it?

I love that upside down crazy budgie. :)
nope this is what she'll always look like

I was leaning more towards poorly marked Dominant pied - meaning she does not have the clear band Dominant pieds are supposed to have

but a breeder friend of mine thinks clear flight pied since she has no band like dominant pieds do

she has no clear area's really The 2 pics of me holding her makes it look like she does but I had her feathers messed up from holding her- she wasn't really liking me bothering her lol

and thanks - I like the crazy mama Budgie too :p she can be silly when she wants to and a big butt head when she wants too as well :p
 

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Just because there is no white band doesn't mean that it is not dominant pied.
 

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Just because there is no white band doesn't mean that it is not dominant pied.
So she is dominant pied? and I'm not losing my mind after all LOL (well I know I am but that's a different story lol)

I've just never seen a dominant pied that didn't have at least a Small clear area on their stomach

just by looking at her front and ignoring her wings all together and If I didn't know better I would of thought she was a Normal non pied - But I know better ;) plus the wings say she's a pied

Oh and what do you think the chances of her actually being a yellow face is? Since both parents are a type of Yellow face.
 

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Ooooh this is interesting!! I never really thought about it, but Muncie doesn't have any dominant pied markings on his belly at all either, thought from his hatch cert he is a dom pied. His first molt is finished and he still only has one small white mark next to his leg and one single white feather on his chest. His purple is a DEEP purple now though!!
 

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Ooooh this is interesting!! I never really thought about it, but Muncie doesn't have any dominant pied markings on his belly at all either, thought from his hatch cert he is a dom pied. His first molt is finished and he still only has one small white mark next to his leg and one single white feather on his chest. His purple is a DEEP purple now though!!
I was reading a post of yours from in the past - you said he was baby #2 from Bandit and Mystic - he is from Bandit and mystic but his leg band Number is 6 - If it doesn't say 6 I may of Given you the wrong hatch certificate :eek: but he is a Violet Grey wing :) and He's dominant pied and now his sister(This one) matches him neither one have the belly bar LOL

I kept the other 2 that was born with Muncie - Man how they've changed! I can only imagine how much he's changed.

the Youngest from their clutch I wouldn't of ever thought would look the way he does. but he's so pretty :D I'm glad I kept him even though I thought I was keeping 2 girls and ended up keeping a boy and a girl lol ..
 

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LOL No, that was my mistake, not yours. I have the right hatch certificate ;) The only real change is the depth of his color and his size. His wings are a darker grey and his main color is a deep 'inky' purple. Nothing surprising really. He is a large stocky boy though! I saw the pictures of the two you kept from his clutch....they're gorgeous!!
 

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LOL No, that was my mistake, not yours. I have the right hatch certificate ;) The only real change is the depth of his color and his size. His wings are a darker grey and his main color is a deep 'inky' purple. Nothing surprising really. He is a large stocky boy though! I saw the pictures of the two you kept from his clutch....they're gorgeous!!
whew thought I messed up - I've done that in the past got busy talking and gave the person the wrong certificate and didn't realize it til they were long gone, so I had to scan the right one on to the computer and it E-mail it to them lol

I wish the youngest from Muncie's clutch would hold still long enough so I could get a nice picture every one I get comes out blurry or just not so clear but I'll eventually get a good pic one of these days I'll get bored and sit in there and drive them nuts snapping pics for an hour - Eventually I get good clear pics LOL

oh and he was one on another forum they never could make up their mind if he was a Dilute or not - So I just went with what I saw him as a Violet Grey wing Dominant Pied - So don't be surprised if one day your told he's actually a Dilute ;)
 

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Oh and what do you think the chances of her actually being a yellow face is? Since both parents are a type of Yellow face.
To get a double factor yellow face of any of the three types both parents would have to be the same type
 

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LOL Well his cheek patches are violet, and his throat spots are grey. His tail and flights are white, so no help there. I'll just keep calling him a greywing...it sounds more manly than 'dilute' :p
 

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To get a double factor yellow face of any of the three types both parents would have to be the same type
oh ok so since I think bandit is Golden face and not type 2 yellow face like i first thought and Mystic is type 1 - then I'd just get some yellow faces and some golden faces and some that aren't yellow faces at all - right?

LOL Well his cheek patches are violet, and his throat spots are grey. His tail and flights are white, so no help there. I'll just keep calling him a greywing...it sounds more manly than 'dilute' :p
lol I agree :D

the whole dilute thing confuses me to no end lol
 

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oh ok so since I think bandit is Golden face and not type 2 yellow face like i first thought and Mystic is type 1 - then I'd just get some yellow faces and some golden faces and some that aren't yellow faces at all - right?
If Bandit is SF Goldenface (Goldenface/blue) and Mystic is SF YF1 (YF1/blue) then you can get the following:

Goldenface/YF1
Goldenface/blue
YF1/blue
blue/blue

A Goldenface/YF1 will look slightly different than a single factor goldenface. There are experts out there who would be able to see the difference. I doubt if I'd be able to.
 

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If Bandit is SF Goldenface (Goldenface/blue) and Mystic is SF YF1 (YF1/blue) then you can get the following:

Goldenface/YF1
Goldenface/blue
YF1/blue
blue/blue

A Goldenface/YF1 will look slightly different than a single factor goldenface. There are experts out there who would be able to see the difference. I doubt if I'd be able to.
Thank you :) I couldn't remember if I'd get Actual non yellow faces when both parents were yellow face or if I'd end up with the DF yellow face- the one that looks like a non yellow face but really is yellow face lol

the way I tell a golden face from a yellow face(not sure if its right but so far it seems to work out) is on the Golden face their yellow is deeper -darker and well more Golden in color than a normal Yellow face where they're is more pale (even if its a type 2 its still more pale then a golden face) but like i said not sure if its the right way - but so far its worked out on mine that way. oh and of course its a lot easier to tell the difference when you have both in front of you :)
 
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