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So this morning straight after breakfast Echo went back up into her cage and started vomiting. She continued for about 10 minutes. when she stopped she made her way to the bottom corner of the cage and puffed up, and not wanting any touch (which she usually loves). She had a 15 minute nap.
I took her to the vet and they did poo test which came back normal, however she noticed some undigested seed in there. She did physical exam and everything normal other than her chest muscles seemed to be small.
She also did blood tests and her protein came back low (11). She basically left me saying she has no idea what’s wrong and we will need to do further tests (but not today cause too much stress) and it is going to cost an arm and a leg. She gave her an anti-nausea injection.
since coming home she has perked up and seems to have more energy but I’m still very worried. The vet told me to keep her in a warm dark place where she feels comfortable.

please let me know your ideas or anything I could do to give her the best chance of healing.

she usually eats chopped veg (carrot, broccoli, Capsicum, beetroot, apple) with seeds mixed in at about 10:45am and then a bit more recently, vita blend (small bird) with seeds at about 4:30pm. And millet throughout the day with training. She seems to only eat the seed.

thanks,
Carly
 

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Hey all,

So this morning straight after breakfast Echo went back up into her cage and started vomiting. She continued for about 10 minutes. when she stopped she made her way to the bottom corner of the cage and puffed up, and not wanting any touch (which she usually loves). She had a 15 minute nap.
I took her to the vet and they did poo test which came back normal, however she noticed some undigested seed in there. She did physical exam and everything normal other than her chest muscles seemed to be small.
She also did blood tests and her protein came back low (11). She basically left me saying she has no idea what’s wrong and we will need to do further tests (but not today cause too much stress) and it is going to cost an arm and a leg. She gave her an anti-nausea injection.
since coming home she has perked up and seems to have more energy but I’m still very worried. The vet told me to keep her in a warm dark place where she feels comfortable.

please let me know your ideas or anything I could do to give her the best chance of healing.

she usually eats chopped veg (carrot, broccoli, Capsicum, beetroot, apple) with seeds mixed in at about 10:45am and then a bit more recently, vita blend (small bird) with seeds at about 4:30pm. And millet throughout the day with training. She seems to only eat the seed.

thanks,
Carly
Does she get the tiny stones to help digest? I don’t know the word for it in english but in Dutch its Grit
 

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Does she get the tiny stones to help digest? I don’t know the word for it in english but in Dutch its Grit
No I haven’t seen these before. I will get some tomorrow for her and see if it makes a difference. I have just noticed that she is barely pooping at all. Could this just be from the anti nausea injection?. Thank you very much.
 

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No I haven’t seen these before. I will get some tomorrow for her and see if it makes a difference. I have just noticed that she is barely pooping at all. Could this just be from the anti nausea injection?. Thank you very much.
(edit: this apparently isn’t true!: )
I don’t have any medical knowledge. I just know they need these tiny stones to help grind the seeds up in their belly (sorry i dont know the terms but you know what i mean). Mine vomited once and then i thought back to my previous birds and that they got these stone thingys. After i got her that (mine are mixed with different things so not only stones) she hasn’t vomited. Hope someone else with more experience can chime in!
 

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Actually, grit is dangerous for budgies. Other birds do not hull (take the shell off) their seeds and may have different needs. However, parrots, including budgies, do remove the seed husks and should NOT be given grit. It can cause crop impaction and injury if ingested.
Please read this thread for more information:

 

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Actually, grit is dangerous for budgies. Other birds do not hull (take the shell off) their seeds and may have different needs. However, parrots, including budgies, do remove the seed husks and should NOT be given grit. It can cause crop impaction and injury if ingested.
Please read this thread for more information:

Really! Omygod im so glad that i just started giving it to them! Well don’t listen to me haha!
 

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As StarlingWings has indicated budgies should not be given grit. Was it an avian vet that saw her? Undigested seed in the droppings is an indication of a problem in the GI tract, when I hear this my first thought is Avian Gastric Yeast (AGY) although there are other things that can cause it. With AGY the organism does not always show up in a test on the droppings so just because it did not appear in the sample does not mean it is not there. Here are a coupe of articles about it Avian Gastric Yeast, Avian Gastric Yeast
 

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Does she get the tiny stones to help digest? I don’t know the word for it in english but in Dutch its Grit
As far as I know the word grit in Dutch and in English are not the same. As I understand it: In English grit refers to small stones, which help with digestion in for example poultry. In Dutch this is called 'maagkiezel'. The Dutch word 'grit' refers to small pieces of shell, which is not meant to aid digestion, but is meant to be a source of calcium. These two are often combined in one product, but this is not necessarily the case.

@LindaNL If you want to read about it in Dutch, check out Rob van Zon's website. He is one of the most well known avian vets in the Netherlands. On his website he also writes that 'maagkiezel' should not be given to parrots (which budgies are as well), but he says the broken shell pieces are a good source of calcium and can safely be given because they dissolve.
There is loads of other useful bird information on his website as well. He wrote a book about bird first aid and emergencies. It is aimed at both owners and non avian vets. I have not read it yet, but it is supposed to be very good. He writes about what you can do as an owner before you get to the vet and includes information for non avian vets on what to do. Of course he recommends going to an avian vet, but he is also realistic this is not always possible if there is no avian vet on call. So he recommends bringing the book with you if you have no choice but going to a regular vet.
I have been to his clinic with my chickens before. He REALLY cares about birds. If you live near Utrecht, I would recommend him. He is more expensive than a regular vet though.
 

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As far as I know the word grit in Dutch and in English are not the same. As I understand it: In English grit refers to small stones, which help with digestion in for example poultry. In Dutch this is called 'maagkiezel'. The Dutch word 'grit' refers to small pieces of shell, which is not meant to aid digestion, but is meant to be a source of calcium. These two are often combined in one product, but this is not necessarily the case.

@LindaNL If you want to read about it in Dutch, check out Rob van Zon's website. He is one of the most well known avian vets in the Netherlands. On his website he also writes that 'maagkiezel' should not be given to parrots (which budgies are as well), but he says the broken shell pieces are a good source of calcium and can safely be given because they dissolve.
There is loads of other useful bird information on his website as well. He wrote a book about bird first aid and emergencies. It is aimed at both owners and non avian vets. I have not read it yet, but it is supposed to be very good. He writes about what you can do as an owner before you get to the vet and includes information for non avian vets on what to do. Of course he recommends going to an avian vet, but he is also realistic this is not always possible if there is no avian vet on call. So he recommends bringing the book with you if you have no choice but going to a regular vet.
I have been to his clinic with my chickens before. He REALLY cares about birds. If you live near Utrecht, I would recommend him. He is more expensive than a regular vet though.
Thank you! This helps me a lot!
 

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As StarlingWings has indicated budgies should not be given grit. Was it an avian vet that saw her? Undigested seed in the droppings is an indication of a problem in the GI tract, when I hear this my first thought is Avian Gastric Yeast (AGY) although there are other things that can cause it. With AGY the organism does not always show up in a test on the droppings so just because it did not appear in the sample does not mean it is not there. Here are a coupe of articles about it Avian Gastric Yeast, Avian Gastric Yeast
hi thank you so much for your comment.

it was an exotics vet but she did seem to have a fair bit of experience with birds. She did give me a lot of information about issues that could be wrong but didn’t know for sure she said she would need to do advanced bloods (but this would require more blood and could be dangerous for a budgie of her size) and possibly an x ray. The advanced bloods would cost $180! She did poop and basic bloods and she said there was no presence of bacteria or infection but the test she did could not pick up viruses as they are too small. Red and white blood cell counts normal. I really don’t want to pay for more bloods as I have already spent over $250 on vet bills and much more on supplies for this little one and I have only had her for 2 weeks. I love her to pieces but I can’t justify it. Is it dangerous to treat her for AGY if she does not have it? Thank you so much!
 

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my bird has had this vomiting problem for a few days
and has been sitting about sleeping all fluffed up
is that true about grit?
I've been giving it to him all his
life and he's 13
 

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UPDATE

I brought some more poop to the vet and she said still no evidence of AGY or abnormalities. She still gave me anti-fungal meds to give to Echo.
This is her third day on the meds and she seems to be recovering very well. A lot more energy and poop looking healthy (no seeds or significantly less).
Her tail is bobbing quite a bit though so I’m not sure if this is something to worry about or not?

Thank you for all your help!
 

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I'm glad to hear Eco is recovering well!
Have you contacted the vet with regard to your concern about the tail bobbing? I would advise you to call the clinic to inquire.
 
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